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the plaintiff thought the Masters almost

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surely have a plan

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this clearly maybe something there

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you think you know the less you will be

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do that's true dr. Zaius

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all right higher side chatters it's

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clear to me that the mind-control

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propaganda and disinformation dials have

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been turned up to 11 in a culture that

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seems more erratic polarized and on edge

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than it has been in some time yes it

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seems like we are a society of lab rats

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deep into finely tuned experiments and

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manipulation that have been refined with

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billions of dollars over many decades

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and with a constant bombardment of

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information aimed at keeping our palms

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sweaty and the heart rate high it's

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increasingly nauseating to navigate

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between the latest presidential reality

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show tweet fest and the daily reports on

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Hollywood's latest sacrificial lamb of

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it's classic sleight of hand tabloid

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culture masquerading as real news in an

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era where the machine is only getting

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more efficient and the screws are only

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getting tighter so today I wanted to

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bring back a guest we had way way back

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in the beginning of the higher side

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archive almost exactly three years ago

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and that guest is Neil Sanders Neil is a

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longtime researcher an expert in the

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dark art of mind control who holds

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degrees in film studies psychology and

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media production as well as being a

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qualified hypnotherapist he's also the

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author of the one-two punch that is his

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dual volume set your thoughts are not

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your own with volume one being subtitled

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mind control mass manipulation and

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perception management and volume two

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marketing movies and music but that's

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not all folks he's also here hot on the

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heels of his latest release of 500 plus

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page two hundred thousand word tome

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covering the lifetimes and trial of

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Charles Manson entitled now is the only

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thing that's real a reexamination of the

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Manson murders motives and mythos which

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I'm sure we'll also be talking about

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well let's get this party started people

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researcher extraordinaire beacon of

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Sanders welcome back to the higher side

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thank you very much yeah man it's a real

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pleasure to have you back I always

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considered you one of my favorite guests

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from the early days and I went back and

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listened to that show we did three years

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ago just to see how things have changed

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and pretty much everything we talked

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about then is even more concerning now

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propaganda and entertainment and I guess

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today compared to a few years ago are

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you all surprised at the current climate

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or is it just as you might have expected

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surprised by the way that the Internet

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is being used in as much as basically

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quite a lot of people are spreading in

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internet there's a lot of sites that

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basically print lives and he submits a

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business venture he currently not the

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lowly candle and has especially when

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abuse child abuse that type of thing

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of propaganda techniques the

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manipulation techniques the astroturf

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and under the like that exists in the

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media to be quite honest and yet it's

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actually how many people have just

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live recently and people going

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the prospect of this illegitimate

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systemic disenfranchising get setting up

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there are standing ovations for the

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elite class or something I'll never

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there are so many sites pop up and what

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so that just clearly makes us look bad

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I try to be vigilant but obviously I've

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meant by though is these other people

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did sort of you know being tricked by it

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that's the point of propaganda it's

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effectively is the people that have

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actively set up these loads to spread

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but there's also you know that's how you

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poison somebody you don't put it on a

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plate with a flag on it that says poison

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information like the one of them was I

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don't understand why anybody twists all

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these those Russia today is arty and

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they're very again very very skilled at

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it because they basically put out about

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you know a degree of truth that they put

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there any problem with Russia today with

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as many problems today but it's the own

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criminally based you know it's the

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direct line of the Russian government

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and its tentacles stretch to the FSB

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who's used to be a GPS you know it's a

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very very sophisticated propaganda

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machine and therefore is not to be

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contribute to the constant rehashing of

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the American election cycle a year after

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it happened but you were one of the

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Jeffrey obscene in detail and I just

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pedophile both sides seem to have

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candidate but when it comes to the inner

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like those links go pretty deep don't

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everybody sort of like that popularize

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convicted of pedophilia before this but

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basically is when that young girl the

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fifteen-year-old masseuse Virginia

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that's where she met cheese lane Maxwell

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Maxwell have been good friends with

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he's lots of fun to be with

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like beautiful women as much as I do and

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many of them on the younger side no

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doubt about it Jeffery enjoys his social

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life like I'm very aware that Bill

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Clinton was on the releaser Express and

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that his name appears a penny on the

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flight records forget that it's 19 or 20

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2008 a large amount of times but from

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the very very same source that those far

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as were aware that that came from which

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was mark Epstein huge tech rep Stein's

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brother he's also confirmed that Donald

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least twice in 2009 Doyle was subpoenaed

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subpoena was withdrawn when Trump

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negotiated to give a voluntary statement

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to the police that would be held out of

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the court proceedings but he was proven

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in this subsequent court case that Trump

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called Epstein's Palm Beach estate at

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least twice for his private line in

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November 2004 embarrass ether 2002 was

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showing the Trump regularly died

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Epstein's Palm Beach estate he admitted

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dining at Epstein's Manhattan home and

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he said this was a regular occurrence

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yeah it's totally totally Shady the

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other connection with the inner circle

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of Trump is Mark Collins retron brought

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Pierce well when Mark resurrection was a

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known pedophile in 2014 already been

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the former a third person and node to

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financier of the Trump campaign and the

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employer of people at Kellyanne Conway

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and various of the people like that and

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he's a very basic problem white

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nationalist as well to be guys yeah it

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is just fascinating to me that both

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camps would be so closely associated

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with a guy like this and our country is

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over here that we really suffer from

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this what about ISM where it's like well

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you want to point out my side did this

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well what about that and it's like how

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about both sides are criminal how about

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both sides abused children like come on

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I thought we were over this left and

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right paradigm thing oh absolutely

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Tomiko days I think part of the reason

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today's is due to very clever marketing

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and this this has been told I think

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basically is actually been done food elk

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of the American government listed it's

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really down to the company called

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Cambridge analytic at Cambridge analytic

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it's a data mining firm they basically

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disowned by Robert Mercer the chief

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financier of Donald Trump and the owner

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of Breitbart who's the employer of me

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Loyola populace and Steve banner also

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Kellyanne Conway basically what they did

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was they merged with a company called SC

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L which is a form of British military

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coos in South African countries and

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things like that and it has direct

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connections in Pentagon British military

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intelligence the British Secret Service

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Marines and US military and I believe

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said Prescott already but also directly

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to the White House what happened was

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basically the Trump campaign employed

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actually the bradley campaign employed

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this data mining firm to micro-target

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people and figure out what was making

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them take what they did is they brought

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all your facebook data they brought all

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your Twitter date and they bought all

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your data from what's happening to

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Graham and stuff like there and we

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basically trawl through it and using

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algorithms to figure out what you liked

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and what you didn't like

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and they micro-targeted to you and they

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basically created sort of their accounts

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and start conversations with you and

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send you fake news articles all directly

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specifically to get you riled up and to

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get you directed towards supporting a

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specific candidate and I think that they

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very cleverly took advantage of the fact

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that people are massively massively

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dissing gruntled

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and they said the right things they

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talked about people being

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disenfranchise I talked about the elites

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but it was you know it was a lie you

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know he's just words you go frog dog

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Donald Trump is for a start east

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bloodline he's related to the Clintons

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if there's enough dirt on Donald Trump

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on his connections to the Mafia and as

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we spoke about for connection stab Stein

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for the mainstream media or for the

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Democrats to absolutely destroy him and

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yet they haven't chosen to do that this

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all for show it's all nonsense you see

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it's all a complete facade is just there

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to give you the impression that

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basically somebody's fighting for the

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little land it's the utilization of

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nationalism and xenophobia hatred of

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other people all stoke together with

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genuine fears about economic worries and

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heightened fears if you've got terrorism

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and stuff like that again like with all

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good propaganda a nice dollop with the

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truth talking about basically how Alisa

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a ripping you off no talk about how

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Trump has got like you know a history of

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ripping off little people destroying

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small businesses not paying contractors

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that type of thing as you say I don't

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quite understand why there is this sort

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of level of Emperor's New Clothes about

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this guy I think a lot of it is to do

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with the media notes as I said like not

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only on Facebook and stuff like that

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subconsciously manipulating you towards

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a specific candidate which has basically

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been admitted by the utilization of

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military industrial complex level

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psychological warfare organizations that

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just so happened to favor the wants and

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needs of the elites not only that but

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through their media through bright bar

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which is owned by the very same people

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through Jude reporter other outlets like

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that basically get their media from the

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same reporters certainly from Infowars

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that basically took an incredibly large

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step to the right just about the same

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time that its production values went

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through the roof which hadn't seemed to

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jive with what was going on choses

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private life which probably would have

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been terribly totally expensive for him

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at the time but he shifted got a new

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demographic and then immediately got

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sort of access to the president-elect

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which is an unprecedented media cure one

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point dude who's talked about the rash

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being allowed into the White House into

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the press pattern stuff like that I

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don't think he got that but I I wouldn't

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at all be surprised if there's a certain

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amount of quid pro quo that was going on

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behind the scenes in order to set up

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this candidate and set up a continuing

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and expanding media career facilities

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people involved in these particular

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outlets mm-hmm great points man and

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those things probably help to explain

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why a lot of the conspiracy world does

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seem to have this Savior thing going on

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when they're thinking about Trump it's

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like I've heard from many guests they'll

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say things like well it seems like

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Trump's finally going to do something

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about X Y or Z it's like I'm always

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disappointed in that misplaced trust

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I've had guests saying that he's gonna

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put an end to pedophile networks he's

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gonna roll back vaccines he's gonna stop

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geoengineering all that sort of stuff

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and it doesn't make sense to me and you

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make a great point about Infowars I

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could say the same about red ice it

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seems like alternative media shows they

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just turn into a right-wing shows all of

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a sudden and I it's something I don't

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understand and something I'm trying to

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work against well it's a I genuinely

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think the do to the influence of two

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people essentially Robert Mirza they

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were you know keep mentioning was the

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main financier of Donald Trump and is

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essentially the person who was behind

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bright bar and merely enough of this and

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Steve Allen and Kelley on coal way and

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various other things like that is a

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hedge fund manager and he has a dream of

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an all-white new Tokyo in America the

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other person is a multi-millionaire

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called William rotary second or what

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emotionally the third I believe it might

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be he basically is another incredibly

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wealthy aristocrat militant America very

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very influential and he has a dream of

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north live utopia in America there's a

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theme that seems to run through this he

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basically uses the Charles Martel

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society in the the NCL which I get all

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that stands for but these are basically

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right-wing you think thanks and one of

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them mention prata shows who's funded

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out of there

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is which is Spencer Richard Spencer is

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the gentleman that has the stupid swept

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to the left lesbians haircut and got

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punched on the face by the Birkin the

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mask keep coined the phrase all right

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we wrote in seven also basically fires a

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series of books that will pull out to

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help Donald tamaño because it was a spot

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a book was sponsored by Donald Trump and

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he basically financed this and put it

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out prior to the election it was easy oh

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it's all just a new soft propaganda bird

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for Donald Trump but you also organized

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phone campaigns and also so you know

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blanket media campaigns in order to

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basically encourage people to vote for

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Donald Trump as well so we can see that

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these very wealthy wealthy people they

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want Trump to be the candidate there is

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the news video maybe some of these

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people right maybe he did genuinely want

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to do this involve our bar and etc etc

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etc I believe dead but maybe who knows

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but he's not the guy he's the frontman

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neoz the window dressing Ryan has been

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essentially an attempted and it sounds a

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bit melodramatic but there's been an

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attempted right-wing cooze behind the

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scenes in in America with a shift these

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just people jostling for position and

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you know the chaos that ensues from

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Trump and the cows that is going to

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ensue silly economic and business sense

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from brexit is going to benefit greatly

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people who hedge fund managers people

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like boom

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so Rob Mercer the other person that

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Robert Mercer pays for is Nigel Faraj

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however you kick in fact the reason that

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Breitbart set up an office in London was

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to promote you kid propaganda he's also

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behind door fights or health through

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Cambridge analytic and quite illegally I

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might add levy you and he you leave and

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all basically the all the main card prep

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set campaigns that were promoted by

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people like larger Faraj during that

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time so this is what I find very

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troubling about this hearing client isin

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it is concept to the Internet is that

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basically at the minute we're seeing a

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lot of people that are purporting to be

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champions of the people how'd you

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franchise a desert former trust former

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Jones but he's a multi-millionaire he's

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not a man of the people he leaves for a

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lot of time out of the country the all

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of these rhetoric is just nonsense it's

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just basically again saying the things

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that people want to hear because the

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century you justify you say I know what

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this is wrong with the world this is

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wrong with the world

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wrong-doer initiative on the world yes

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you're absolutely right you know whose

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fault it is whose whose those people

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over there those disenfranchised people

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now here's the interesting thing about a

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target you've always got to find a

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target that is different enough and

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powerful enough for you to be afraid of

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them so we don't we know just enough of

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them to know that they exist but we

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don't know enough about them so that

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we're not terrified of them and they've

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got to be perceived to be powerful

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enough to destroy the entire planet and

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yet they're so weak that somehow they

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don't really have any campaign or

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platform to make a counter I'll give you

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20 of these points which seems very very

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sort of counterintuitive to to the

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rhetoric but yeah yeah this is the point

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that these are very very wealthy people

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with ties to the military-industrial

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complex in both the UK and America and

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I'm not saying that people do have a

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good reason or a good thought behind why

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they voted for rad self or why they

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voted for Trump but the strange and

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provable fact is as I say these multi

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millionaires billionaires and

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corporations with links to the

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military-industrial complex the White

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House the Pentagon the US Marines

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marconi defense systems UK military

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psychological operations warfare

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departments wanted you to vote that way

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well said man and you know we're both in

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our 30s and it just seems to me that

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there has been a real synergy to the

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Bush Clinton Bush Obama years and that

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does seem to have changed and you

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mentioned the idea of a coup is

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something a lot of guests here talked

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about and there's clearly a lot of stuff

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being thrown at us it can be really hard

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to sit down to what's important but what

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do you think of the main goals behind

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this administration what's the real game

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behind the game here when it comes to

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the jockeys that have been riding the

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Trump horse

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well it's difficult to say the bottom

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line is money there's a couple of thing

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is that basically this isn't necessarily

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mean anything but it's an observation

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okay who actually benefits greatly from

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the breakup of the EU and potentially

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the breakup of NATO this is gonna sound

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pretty low current crisis no Russia I

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don't necessarily think that that's

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there's something going on this whole

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thing is tied in I think to the pipeline

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that's going through the Ukraine and I

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don't know exactly what it is but that's

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what Paul miner thought was their doing

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and I don't think it's a trunk per se I

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think it takes the people behind Trump

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00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:00,780
there is some benefit that will

551
00:21:05,690 --> 00:21:03,090
basically if there's chaos in Europe and

552
00:21:07,370 --> 00:21:05,700
is chaos in America that basically the

553
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:07,380
oceans will get less into or perhaps

554
00:21:10,550 --> 00:21:08,970
that something will happen whereby this

555
00:21:12,530 --> 00:21:10,560
pipeline that is going through the

556
00:21:14,900 --> 00:21:12,540
Ukraine without you become more

557
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:14,910
operational and Russian companies will

558
00:21:18,620 --> 00:21:16,770
make a shed load of money that's

559
00:21:21,410 --> 00:21:18,630
essentially why the UK in the u.s.

560
00:21:23,420 --> 00:21:21,420
engineered a coup in the Ukraine to try

561
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:23,430
and prevent this pipeline from going on

562
00:21:28,250 --> 00:21:26,730
someone wonder and again this is not

563
00:21:30,110 --> 00:21:28,260
necessarily what I think that it's an

564
00:21:31,790 --> 00:21:30,120
observation dirt I think you know

565
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:31,800
there's enough indicators to go well

566
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:33,450
that might be a possibility

567
00:21:37,910 --> 00:21:36,450
somebody's [\h__\h] about just in essence

568
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:37,920
to try and get this pipeline done

569
00:21:41,030 --> 00:21:39,600
because behind the scenes they're going

570
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:41,040
to make a huge amount of money we've

571
00:21:44,990 --> 00:21:42,810
already seen the poor manifold s they

572
00:21:48,350 --> 00:21:45,000
made a huge amount of money by basically

573
00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:48,360
being pro-russian in Ukraine and I've

574
00:21:51,860 --> 00:21:50,130
been saying this for ages that that's

575
00:21:54,220 --> 00:21:51,870
essentially what Syria is about in

576
00:21:58,010 --> 00:21:54,230
Georgia is about these are proxy wars

577
00:22:01,010 --> 00:21:58,020
against Russia but it's not really for

578
00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:01,020
anything other than economic reasons

579
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:03,960
these for gas pipelines and and that

580
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:06,810
type of thing is this actually connected

581
00:22:11,090 --> 00:22:09,690
to this well I mean that's possibly this

582
00:22:12,890 --> 00:22:11,100
sort of this suggestion has been put

583
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:12,900
around by the mainstream media which you

584
00:22:18,140 --> 00:22:15,690
know I usually am loath to go along with

585
00:22:20,270 --> 00:22:18,150
but I've actually been saying that for

586
00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:20,280
ages but I don't think it's Trump I

587
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,140
think it's Mercer I think two other

588
00:22:26,750 --> 00:22:24,240
people that's behind him that actually

589
00:22:29,690 --> 00:22:26,760
would be the main beneficiaries of this

590
00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:29,700
type of specific action as to anything

591
00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:31,740
else more than that as I've stated

592
00:22:34,990 --> 00:22:32,510
before

593
00:22:36,510 --> 00:22:35,000
the people behind this particular

594
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:36,520
movement at this particular

595
00:22:41,740 --> 00:22:38,930
administration have a extremely

596
00:22:43,900 --> 00:22:41,750
right-wing bent and certainly the

597
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:43,910
finances of these movements have spoken

598
00:22:49,170 --> 00:22:46,400
on many occasions of wanting Andale y

599
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:49,180
esto stay in in America which is

600
00:22:55,570 --> 00:22:52,850
ludicrous but this is what they've said

601
00:22:58,540 --> 00:22:55,580
is that their intention now idea isn't

602
00:23:00,790 --> 00:22:58,550
really anything to do with Russia no

603
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:00,800
idea these are just you know

604
00:23:05,740 --> 00:23:03,650
observations that I have a dad said

605
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:05,750
recently Irish project like Trump's

606
00:23:10,210 --> 00:23:07,610
obviously a frontman low I think they're

607
00:23:12,430 --> 00:23:10,220
basically is just an idiot an arrogant

608
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:12,440
idiot it was convinced that you could do

609
00:23:16,540 --> 00:23:13,970
this and I think on the side he's

610
00:23:18,430 --> 00:23:16,550
probably made a few dodgy dealers to

611
00:23:20,980 --> 00:23:18,440
advance him because he's a businessman

612
00:23:23,050 --> 00:23:20,990
that's the sort of guy that is you know

613
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:23,060
there's any number of possibilities is

614
00:23:28,690 --> 00:23:25,730
to to why Trump wins what the ultimate

615
00:23:30,370 --> 00:23:28,700
goal is he's he malleable is he is you

616
00:23:32,170 --> 00:23:30,380
know usually controllable behind the

617
00:23:33,370 --> 00:23:32,180
scenes they're easy to sort of person

618
00:23:35,410 --> 00:23:33,380
and get away with anything he can act

619
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:35,420
like an idiot kind of in the way that

620
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:37,280
George Bush did and then people still

621
00:23:43,090 --> 00:23:40,400
give him a pass I don't his old stupid

622
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:43,100
Donald again or whatever but did you

623
00:23:46,150 --> 00:23:44,810
notice the second that George Bush stop

624
00:23:47,770 --> 00:23:46,160
being president he shows he became the

625
00:23:49,270 --> 00:23:47,780
most articulate and witty person that

626
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:49,280
you've never met in your entire life

627
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:51,770
he was ridiculous have going obviously

628
00:23:55,570 --> 00:23:53,570
like he's still on the sauce like

629
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:55,580
weather news at that memorial and he

630
00:24:00,040 --> 00:23:58,010
tried to start a can-can with Michelle

631
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:00,050
Obama's not to be trusted

632
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:02,810
but it was a marketing ploy I think for

633
00:24:07,090 --> 00:24:04,490
him to act quite as stupid as he did

634
00:24:09,010 --> 00:24:07,100
during the time of his presidency and so

635
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:09,020
you've always got to be aware of these

636
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:10,640
potential angles isn't saying anything

637
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:13,310
that the Sharia it's all for sure it's

638
00:24:19,030 --> 00:24:16,010
all they wants you to see it somebody

639
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:19,040
wants you to see this you know the stuff

640
00:24:24,370 --> 00:24:21,410
that they can cover up in ludicrous so

641
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:24,380
it's very very suspicious when as you

642
00:24:28,180 --> 00:24:26,090
say like people are propped up to be

643
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,190
champions of the people or whatever I

644
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,320
you know I'm a circle I'm miserable

645
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:33,200
misanthrope so I constantly rubbish but

646
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:35,450
it is very very powerful very very

647
00:24:39,580 --> 00:24:38,240
ignoring because they're telling you

648
00:24:41,230 --> 00:24:39,590
everything that you want to hear to

649
00:24:44,050 --> 00:24:41,240
require so they're doing it a very very

650
00:24:45,610 --> 00:24:44,060
very clever way but the day also with

651
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:45,620
the help of

652
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:48,890
sophisticated Moochie some homes yeah

653
00:24:53,530 --> 00:24:51,290
man it's just games within games as

654
00:24:56,380 --> 00:24:53,540
always and as someone who's covered the

655
00:24:58,660 --> 00:24:56,390
entertainment industry so greatly how do

656
00:25:00,850 --> 00:24:58,670
you feel about these almost daily

657
00:25:02,590 --> 00:25:00,860
reports of sexual abuse of varying

658
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:02,600
degrees whether it's Harvey Weinstein

659
00:25:07,930 --> 00:25:05,210
Kevin Spacey Matt Lauer Charlie Rose

660
00:25:09,970 --> 00:25:07,940
Louie CK Al Franken I mean there's

661
00:25:11,650 --> 00:25:09,980
clearly something happening here but is

662
00:25:13,540 --> 00:25:11,660
there a deeper agenda or goal behind

663
00:25:15,940 --> 00:25:13,550
this a lot of accusations it seems

664
00:25:18,910 --> 00:25:15,950
somewhat targeter like it might be some

665
00:25:21,310 --> 00:25:18,920
type of smokescreen or is it genuine who

666
00:25:22,990 --> 00:25:21,320
knows I mean it's certainly horrific and

667
00:25:24,340 --> 00:25:23,000
it at least made light of it but as a

668
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:24,350
lot of people who are saying lobia

669
00:25:27,820 --> 00:25:26,240
specifically was never a secret with for

670
00:25:30,340 --> 00:25:27,830
Harvey Weinstein a lot of these rooms

671
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:30,350
the Lucy case obscure outrageous but

672
00:25:33,910 --> 00:25:31,970
then again showed the Bill Cosby stuff

673
00:25:38,049 --> 00:25:33,920
had been out few years in the rumor mill

674
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:38,059
it's nothing new again I'm not trying to

675
00:25:41,710 --> 00:25:40,490
move the criminal activities going on

676
00:25:43,450 --> 00:25:41,720
I'm just pointing out that basically

677
00:25:46,510 --> 00:25:43,460
Hollywood and all the industry

678
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:46,520
essentially works to a degree on power

679
00:25:51,540 --> 00:25:49,130
and and sensuality like James Dean was a

680
00:25:55,270 --> 00:25:51,550
rent boy before he was sick in Hollywood

681
00:25:57,549 --> 00:25:55,280
marlon brando was i believe did casting

682
00:25:59,860 --> 00:25:57,559
couch type things with men could be

683
00:26:01,299 --> 00:25:59,870
wrong about that man in monroe famously

684
00:26:03,970 --> 00:26:01,309
said that she spent the majority of her

685
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:03,980
auditions on her knees there's always

686
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:05,690
been fixes in hollywood I would suggest

687
00:26:08,770 --> 00:26:07,250
that people look into a really

688
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:08,780
fascinating character called Eddie

689
00:26:14,530 --> 00:26:11,690
Mannix and he was basically one of these

690
00:26:17,530 --> 00:26:14,540
people that made scandals go away you

691
00:26:19,630 --> 00:26:17,540
know Bette Davis or any of these people

692
00:26:23,169 --> 00:26:19,640
got pregnant he would be the person that

693
00:26:25,450 --> 00:26:23,179
arranged their secrets abortion if

694
00:26:27,130 --> 00:26:25,460
starlets were homosexual he would

695
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,140
basically arranged for them to be

696
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:29,120
married off to other people in here to

697
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:32,000
promote their public profile he even ran

698
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:33,890
to the extent of covering up the murder

699
00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:37,490
and a rape two separate incidents in one

700
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:40,910
is leased car gable ran a lady over and

701
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:43,760
killed her and another instance he raped

702
00:26:48,010 --> 00:26:45,770
a girl got her pregnant and Eddie Mannix

703
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:48,020
not only managed to cover up the crime

704
00:26:52,270 --> 00:26:50,000
but also successfully what the girls

705
00:26:54,610 --> 00:26:52,280
have an abortion this was in the forties

706
00:26:56,890 --> 00:26:54,620
and fifties there is all manner of

707
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:56,900
things that the Hollywood would go to to

708
00:26:59,409 --> 00:26:59,120
to cover up it's very strange how this

709
00:27:03,549 --> 00:26:59,419
thing

710
00:27:06,339 --> 00:27:03,559
came out exactly what this fall to the

711
00:27:08,109 --> 00:27:06,349
Harvey Weinstein scandal was off the top

712
00:27:09,969 --> 00:27:08,119
of my head I don't know if he can ke

713
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:09,979
group I carry over the actress's name

714
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:12,320
but it was just one actors who came out

715
00:27:17,589 --> 00:27:15,200
and then the floodgates open to own you

716
00:27:20,109 --> 00:27:17,599
know I don't doubt his story to be quite

717
00:27:21,579 --> 00:27:20,119
honest he's interesting somebody was

718
00:27:23,289 --> 00:27:21,589
pointing out this all these girls that

719
00:27:24,819 --> 00:27:23,299
come out said blah blah blah he's

720
00:27:26,769 --> 00:27:24,829
interesting closest ones that have kept

721
00:27:29,169 --> 00:27:26,779
quiet about this though because you know

722
00:27:29,949 --> 00:27:29,179
you could speculate that this is common

723
00:27:33,459 --> 00:27:29,959
practice

724
00:27:33,729 --> 00:27:33,469
he's horrific it happens in all walks of

725
00:27:37,690 --> 00:27:33,739
life

726
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:37,700
there's no specter of powerful industry

727
00:27:41,699 --> 00:27:40,369
where people don't take advantage of

728
00:27:45,399 --> 00:27:41,709
people

729
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:45,409
Hollywood is particularly dangerous and

730
00:27:50,049 --> 00:27:47,809
the music industry because of the

731
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:50,059
rewards that it promises don't actually

732
00:27:54,699 --> 00:27:52,129
you know give you these rewards a lot of

733
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:54,709
time it's actually horrific like RS for

734
00:27:58,299 --> 00:27:56,089
example let me give you an idea trophy

735
00:28:00,009 --> 00:27:58,309
Howard Loring is the music business in

736
00:28:02,259 --> 00:28:00,019
the film industry stuff like that has

737
00:28:04,329 --> 00:28:02,269
really SAS was really quite old but

738
00:28:07,089 --> 00:28:04,339
still very very interesting article by

739
00:28:08,379 --> 00:28:07,099
Courtney Love the other day she's

740
00:28:11,049 --> 00:28:08,389
talking about basically if you're a band

741
00:28:12,969 --> 00:28:11,059
at your four-piece band they get signed

742
00:28:14,949 --> 00:28:12,979
if you get a million dollar advance

743
00:28:17,109 --> 00:28:14,959
that's essentially a loan for a star

744
00:28:20,289 --> 00:28:17,119
half of it go to your manager

745
00:28:22,479 --> 00:28:20,299
immediately half of it goes to various

746
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:22,489
of the production agency and the like

747
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:25,369
and so that goes towards recording of

748
00:28:29,469 --> 00:28:28,129
your album basically left at the time

749
00:28:32,229 --> 00:28:29,479
with about forty five thousand dollars

750
00:28:34,719 --> 00:28:32,239
per person to live on for the rest of

751
00:28:37,539 --> 00:28:34,729
your life essentially until we keen X

752
00:28:40,569 --> 00:28:37,549
get paid if you let's get paid your

753
00:28:42,879 --> 00:28:40,579
album comes out you record two videos

754
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:42,889
they give you another half a million

755
00:28:46,749 --> 00:28:44,690
dollars for that and they give you two

756
00:28:49,389 --> 00:28:46,759
hundred thousand dollars towards tour

757
00:28:51,849 --> 00:28:49,399
support and they've also given you some

758
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:51,859
money towards recording your album you

759
00:28:56,109 --> 00:28:54,529
sell a million dollars basically you get

760
00:28:58,719 --> 00:28:56,119
two million dollars back at this time

761
00:29:01,869 --> 00:28:58,729
now that's exactly what you own record

762
00:29:03,819 --> 00:29:01,879
label because of all the stuff that they

763
00:29:05,649 --> 00:29:03,829
forwarded for you so basically if you're

764
00:29:07,150 --> 00:29:05,659
in a position blow or certainly again

765
00:29:08,350 --> 00:29:07,160
this was in 2000 but if you

766
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:08,360
position where you've sold a million

767
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:12,290
records you just broke even okay the

768
00:29:16,330 --> 00:29:13,490
record company at that point is made

769
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,340
something in the region of the net at

770
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:18,320
about seven or eight million dollars off

771
00:29:21,460 --> 00:29:20,330
the back of you this is very interesting

772
00:29:22,990 --> 00:29:21,470
things within the research industry

773
00:29:25,810 --> 00:29:23,000
where basically if you're a failure is

774
00:29:27,790 --> 00:29:25,820
that they can often right into clauses

775
00:29:30,370 --> 00:29:27,800
whereby the Kentucky office essentially

776
00:29:32,050 --> 00:29:30,380
attacks loss it's an incredibly strange

777
00:29:34,570 --> 00:29:32,060
business like something like ninety

778
00:29:37,690 --> 00:29:34,580
percent of all artists are expected to

779
00:29:39,130 --> 00:29:37,700
fail and not to recoup their losses in

780
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,140
the music industry and yet for years and

781
00:29:43,210 --> 00:29:41,120
years it's been incredibly profitable

782
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:43,220
and the same with the movie industries

783
00:29:47,140 --> 00:29:44,810
you know David Prowse like the guy that

784
00:29:49,570 --> 00:29:47,150
played not the voice but the actor that

785
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:49,580
played Darth Vader no he never got paid

786
00:29:53,470 --> 00:29:52,130
the Star Wars because basically he was

787
00:29:55,210 --> 00:29:53,480
going to get a percentage when he went

788
00:29:57,340 --> 00:29:55,220
into profit but due to this really

789
00:29:59,740 --> 00:29:57,350
really really sleazy

790
00:30:01,630 --> 00:29:59,750
practice called Hollywood's accounting

791
00:30:04,660 --> 00:30:01,640
the original Star Wars has technically

792
00:30:06,730 --> 00:30:04,670
never ever made a profit and so David

793
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:06,740
Prowse never got paid and that's again

794
00:30:12,190 --> 00:30:09,170
quite a common thing in these industries

795
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:12,200
Pink Floyd for Christ's sake had to sue

796
00:30:17,020 --> 00:30:13,610
to get their money

797
00:30:18,970 --> 00:30:17,030
if Pink Floyd have to sue what hope does

798
00:30:21,220 --> 00:30:18,980
anyone else have and yet do you know I

799
00:30:22,540 --> 00:30:21,230
mean did people throw that kids at this

800
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:22,550
industry I mean this is one of the

801
00:30:27,490 --> 00:30:25,130
things that is it was certainly exposed

802
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:27,500
in an open secret that documentary about

803
00:30:31,930 --> 00:30:29,930
pedophilia in Hollywood a lot of the

804
00:30:35,410 --> 00:30:31,940
files that were exposed in that

805
00:30:37,420 --> 00:30:35,420
particular documentary were marriages

806
00:30:40,030 --> 00:30:37,430
for children you know agents that worked

807
00:30:43,060 --> 00:30:40,040
with children doing here directors that

808
00:30:45,370 --> 00:30:43,070
people that worked with kids supposedly

809
00:30:47,860 --> 00:30:45,380
there to be sort of you know guidance to

810
00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:47,870
them but not you know people like Bob

811
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:49,910
Villard who used to manage Leonardo

812
00:30:54,850 --> 00:30:51,770
DiCaprio and Tobey Maguire if you

813
00:30:57,300 --> 00:30:54,860
basically later convicted for child porn

814
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,310
in lewd acts on children he said

815
00:31:01,720 --> 00:30:59,360
Hollywood photographer that worked with

816
00:31:03,310 --> 00:31:01,730
Michael Haren and Michael Harrow was one

817
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,320
of the fans that the Screen Actors Guild

818
00:31:08,620 --> 00:31:05,600
and he'd administered over to stone with

819
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:08,630
and frats and Jobs had abused them this

820
00:31:13,060 --> 00:31:11,330
is the Marty Weiss was manager for your

821
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:13,070
actors he's the person that allegedly

822
00:31:18,820 --> 00:31:16,640
will pretty much definitely ranked Corey

823
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:18,830
Haim and he was a manager for your

824
00:31:22,210 --> 00:31:20,809
latticed and therefore you worked in

825
00:31:23,769 --> 00:31:22,220
we're basically look you know it's like

826
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:23,779
an agency we'll get your kids to these

827
00:31:28,299 --> 00:31:26,450
parts blah blah blah blah send them over

828
00:31:32,289 --> 00:31:28,309
to us you know we're helping your kids

829
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:32,299
become the stars of tomorrow and they'd

830
00:31:36,460 --> 00:31:34,490
be abused over at his house and this

831
00:31:38,649 --> 00:31:36,470
went on for years and years and years so

832
00:31:39,310 --> 00:31:38,659
that's the thing it happens it's

833
00:31:42,340 --> 00:31:39,320
horrendous

834
00:31:45,210 --> 00:31:42,350
but why is it coming out I don't know

835
00:31:47,499 --> 00:31:45,220
I'd like to think that basically because

836
00:31:48,970 --> 00:31:47,509
society doesn't tolerate this stuff but

837
00:31:50,919 --> 00:31:48,980
I don't really believe that I mean for

838
00:31:54,460 --> 00:31:50,929
example like Corey Haims

839
00:31:56,889 --> 00:31:54,470
no no he spell John Grierson and Marty

840
00:32:00,639 --> 00:31:56,899
Weiss these name those two people has

841
00:32:02,919 --> 00:32:00,649
been abuses and everything anything's

842
00:32:04,509 --> 00:32:02,929
been done about it seriously like it's

843
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:04,519
very interesting that those two names

844
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:07,279
haven't been pilloried in the same way

845
00:32:11,499 --> 00:32:10,399
that other people have seen I mean dude

846
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:11,509
there's always going to be people the

847
00:32:15,850 --> 00:32:13,850
escapists of Casey Affleck I think

848
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,860
because he's won Oscars recently plug

849
00:32:19,749 --> 00:32:18,080
he's not been sort of approached in the

850
00:32:21,210 --> 00:32:19,759
same way and is because the horrific

851
00:32:25,989 --> 00:32:21,220
stories about stuff that he's done

852
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:25,999
strange one it is very odd yes it is

853
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:28,159
interesting how it seems to at least be

854
00:32:32,109 --> 00:32:30,110
reaching the mainstream for the first

855
00:32:34,210 --> 00:32:32,119
time I can remember it's such a high

856
00:32:36,340 --> 00:32:34,220
volume but it's also kind of like the

857
00:32:37,930 --> 00:32:36,350
Red Scare that just labeling someone as

858
00:32:40,269 --> 00:32:37,940
a sexual predator is enough for them to

859
00:32:42,369 --> 00:32:40,279
be blackballed and none of this is going

860
00:32:44,169 --> 00:32:42,379
to trial like you said there really is

861
00:32:46,989 --> 00:32:44,179
only the court of public opinion in

862
00:32:48,369 --> 00:32:46,999
these cases which is powerful but it

863
00:32:50,109 --> 00:32:48,379
just seems like there's definitely an

864
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:50,119
operation going on there scams and

865
00:32:55,239 --> 00:32:52,730
schemes as always I'd say so I wanted to

866
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:55,249
also get into your latest exploration of

867
00:32:59,859 --> 00:32:57,919
the Manson murders it's a saga that I

868
00:33:03,039 --> 00:32:59,869
was always suspicious of never really

869
00:33:04,419 --> 00:33:03,049
dug too deep into until I was preparing

870
00:33:06,669 --> 00:33:04,429
for this interview and there are a lot

871
00:33:10,060 --> 00:33:06,679
of threads that I just had no idea about

872
00:33:11,710 --> 00:33:10,070
and your book is super extensive but

873
00:33:13,389 --> 00:33:11,720
could you remind the people of some of

874
00:33:14,919 --> 00:33:13,399
the cliff notes to the official story

875
00:33:17,499 --> 00:33:14,929
and then maybe we can pick it apart a

876
00:33:19,450 --> 00:33:17,509
bit yeah sure I mean the official story

877
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:19,460
is that this convict called Charles

878
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:22,570
Manson came out of prison in 1967 age 33

879
00:33:27,850 --> 00:33:26,090
went down to hey ash burry and somehow

880
00:33:30,430 --> 00:33:27,860
managed to ingratiate himself with

881
00:33:33,779 --> 00:33:30,440
people at Universal Studios

882
00:33:36,629 --> 00:33:33,789
get yourself a harem of young girls

883
00:33:38,639 --> 00:33:36,639
and a bus to travel in he would travel

884
00:33:41,249 --> 00:33:38,649
up and down the west coast before

885
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:41,259
ingratiating himself with a rough style

886
00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:42,970
called Dennis Wilson he was the drummer

887
00:33:47,969 --> 00:33:45,700
and the Beach Boys he basically was

888
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:47,979
introduced into the music industry and a

889
00:33:52,739 --> 00:33:49,929
gentleman called Terry Melcher who was

890
00:33:55,710 --> 00:33:52,749
the son of Doris Day was apparently

891
00:33:58,590 --> 00:33:55,720
later convened to perhaps record an

892
00:34:01,019 --> 00:33:58,600
album for him the behest of Dennis

893
00:34:04,229 --> 00:34:01,029
Wilson but he started freaking everybody

894
00:34:06,479 --> 00:34:04,239
out and basically he believed that he

895
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:06,489
was Jesus and they also the devil and

896
00:34:12,690 --> 00:34:09,369
the party would use sex orgies and the

897
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:12,700
use of LSD noise to control his family

898
00:34:17,399 --> 00:34:15,760
because he strongly believed that a war

899
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:17,409
was going a race war was coming the

900
00:34:21,930 --> 00:34:19,119
other down that he called helter skelter

901
00:34:24,180 --> 00:34:21,940
this was going to be an apocalyptic war

902
00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:24,190
between black people of white people in

903
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,950
which the black people would win now the

904
00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:28,720
cult that was surrounded by Charles

905
00:34:34,289 --> 00:34:30,760
Manson as is described by the

906
00:34:37,230 --> 00:34:34,299
prosecution would retreat to the desert

907
00:34:38,849 --> 00:34:37,240
and hide in a hole in the ground called

908
00:34:41,700 --> 00:34:38,859
the bottomless pit and serve underground

909
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:41,710
cave system until their numbers swelled

910
00:34:47,789 --> 00:34:45,280
to 144,000 and then there was come out

911
00:34:50,460 --> 00:34:47,799
of the ground and take over the world

912
00:34:52,049 --> 00:34:50,470
from the black people who wouldn't be

913
00:34:53,879 --> 00:34:52,059
running it particularly efficiently

914
00:34:56,190 --> 00:34:53,889
because they never had the chance to do

915
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:56,200
that before so as the belief anyway this

916
00:34:59,640 --> 00:34:57,970
is all going quite swimmingly except for

917
00:35:02,250 --> 00:34:59,650
the fact that Basin Terry Melcher thinks

918
00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:02,260
that his music is rubbish and so

919
00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:04,390
rejected by the music industry Charles

920
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:06,700
Manson decides to enact health skelter

921
00:35:11,549 --> 00:35:08,770
himself by killing a lot of white people

922
00:35:13,020 --> 00:35:11,559
in such a way that would basically they

923
00:35:14,970 --> 00:35:13,030
would think that the black people had

924
00:35:16,980 --> 00:35:14,980
killed them and therefore helter skelter

925
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:16,990
would kick off preemptively it's all

926
00:35:21,089 --> 00:35:18,930
little bit silly and convoluted

927
00:35:22,740 --> 00:35:21,099
apparently when today at the house have

928
00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:22,750
all sent people to the house of Gary

929
00:35:28,740 --> 00:35:25,420
Hinman a friend of theirs to get some

930
00:35:30,359 --> 00:35:28,750
money to go and stay in the desert this

931
00:35:32,849 --> 00:35:30,369
did go very well he ended up being

932
00:35:34,799 --> 00:35:32,859
killed in a separate incident Charles

933
00:35:37,470 --> 00:35:34,809
Manson himself and ended up shooting a

934
00:35:39,780 --> 00:35:37,480
black drug dealer called Bernard lots of

935
00:35:42,210 --> 00:35:39,790
popper crow he believed him to be dead

936
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,220
and felt that this was going to be bad

937
00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:45,040
for them basically the cooling through

938
00:35:47,370 --> 00:35:46,660
the prosecution he sent his acolytes out

939
00:35:55,289 --> 00:35:47,380
on

940
00:35:57,059 --> 00:35:55,299
and the people that live there was Roman

941
00:35:58,829 --> 00:35:57,069
Polanski and Sharon Tate but Rome first

942
00:36:00,839 --> 00:35:58,839
was in London trying to get a film

943
00:36:03,329 --> 00:36:00,849
started and the people that were there

944
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:03,339
were their house guests so Jay Sebring

945
00:36:07,650 --> 00:36:05,410
he was a friend of theirs and former

946
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:07,660
boyfriend of Sharon Tate and voytek

947
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:09,970
frykowski now called Golda who also used

948
00:36:13,230 --> 00:36:11,710
to stay there quite a lot it was also a

949
00:36:15,329 --> 00:36:13,240
lad called Steven parent who was

950
00:36:17,549 --> 00:36:15,339
visiting the caretaker who lived in a

951
00:36:19,710 --> 00:36:17,559
little house just round the back and all

952
00:36:22,799 --> 00:36:19,720
five of these people were murdered by

953
00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:22,809
Tex Susan Atkins and Patricia KRENWINKEL

954
00:36:27,749 --> 00:36:25,750
and Linda Kasabian was apparently just

955
00:36:29,940 --> 00:36:27,759
an idle bystander that didn't do

956
00:36:31,259 --> 00:36:29,950
anything and she later became a material

957
00:36:33,630 --> 00:36:31,269
witness for the prosecution

958
00:36:35,730 --> 00:36:33,640
the following night they went completely

959
00:36:38,460 --> 00:36:35,740
random to a house that was owned by a

960
00:36:42,180 --> 00:36:38,470
couple called the labiancas and murdered

961
00:36:44,009 --> 00:36:42,190
them before retreating back to first the

962
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:44,019
spawn language that they lived on which

963
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:45,910
was in Chatsworth California and then

964
00:36:51,059 --> 00:36:48,609
later moving out to a ranch in the

965
00:36:52,890 --> 00:36:51,069
desert called Myers Ranch basically they

966
00:36:54,839 --> 00:36:52,900
were running a stolen car ring and

967
00:36:56,910 --> 00:36:54,849
stripping down cars telling you it's

968
00:36:59,099 --> 00:36:56,920
dune buggies and the police got wiseness

969
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:59,109
and arrested them for this when they

970
00:37:01,859 --> 00:37:00,880
arrested suited Atkins they discovered

971
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:01,869
that she had been at the scene of

972
00:37:06,660 --> 00:37:03,490
burying him and murder

973
00:37:08,249 --> 00:37:06,670
and so they questioned her on other

974
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,259
murders it soon became apparent that she

975
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:10,240
know she confessed very very quickly to

976
00:37:14,279 --> 00:37:12,130
being at the scene of the Sharon Tate

977
00:37:17,220 --> 00:37:14,289
murder and the murder of Sharon Tate and

978
00:37:19,740 --> 00:37:17,230
she was given immunity if she basically

979
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:19,750
told the entire story to a grand jury

980
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:21,910
she did this but very very shortly

981
00:37:25,499 --> 00:37:24,250
afterwards she decided that she changed

982
00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:25,509
her mind and said that she'd been

983
00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:27,670
coerced into sadness but which point the

984
00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:29,799
prosecution basically put forth Linda

985
00:37:33,029 --> 00:37:30,430
Kasabian

986
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:33,039
as the material witness and she told the

987
00:37:37,470 --> 00:37:34,720
story of Charles Manson a cult leader

988
00:37:39,089 --> 00:37:37,480
who thought he was Jesus thought that

989
00:37:41,130 --> 00:37:39,099
this race war was going to come down and

990
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:41,140
so it sent his followers out to kill

991
00:37:46,769 --> 00:37:43,930
these people in order to kick-start this

992
00:37:49,859 --> 00:37:46,779
apocalyptic race war essentially to get

993
00:37:51,210 --> 00:37:49,869
back in society and the music industry

994
00:37:52,799 --> 00:37:51,220
they had wronged him well that's the

995
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:52,809
official story anyway which is quite a

996
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,839
long story now no puns no worries man

997
00:37:59,310 --> 00:37:58,000
that's a great breakdown and clearly it

998
00:38:01,710 --> 00:37:59,320
is a tangled web

999
00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:01,720
and I think a lot of people see the wide

1000
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:04,030
range of connections between Manson and

1001
00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:06,250
the entertainment world as well as the

1002
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:08,230
drugs and what seemed to be the

1003
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:09,730
trafficking of women or at least

1004
00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:11,710
prostitution and they think there's

1005
00:38:16,170 --> 00:38:13,870
probably some very revealing threads

1006
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,180
there but it seems so hard to separate

1007
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:18,400
the truth from the fiction it's not

1008
00:38:23,070 --> 00:38:20,650
surprising that with so many operations

1009
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:23,080
and rings seemingly at risk of being

1010
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:24,130
exposed that there would be a

1011
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:26,770
containment strategy and that is the

1012
00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:28,240
cover-up right it seems like a

1013
00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:31,030
containment strategy is exactly what we

1014
00:38:36,990 --> 00:38:33,910
see here right yeah absolutely I mean to

1015
00:38:39,590 --> 00:38:37,000
be quite honest initially my thought is

1016
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:39,600
that the police didn't actually want to

1017
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:42,400
inward solve the crime they lost

1018
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:45,040
evidence they didn't make really obvious

1019
00:38:49,260 --> 00:38:47,920
connections they really did heed a lead

1020
00:38:51,420 --> 00:38:49,270
it wasn't until they were basically

1021
00:38:53,310 --> 00:38:51,430
publicly embarrassed by two sets of

1022
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:53,320
people one was a group of reporters that

1023
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:55,690
basically found the bloody clothes that

1024
00:39:00,570 --> 00:38:57,370
have been abandoned by Tex Watson and

1025
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:00,580
the Raiders at Cielo Drive and the

1026
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:03,280
second was a boy could Stephen Weiss who

1027
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:05,290
had found the gun that was actually used

1028
00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:06,970
during the murders and then turned it in

1029
00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:07,780
to the police

1030
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:10,200
and he'd been promised a reward and

1031
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:12,610
basically when his father phoned up to

1032
00:39:17,070 --> 00:39:14,700
to find out what was going on with this

1033
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:17,080
Vuitton you've actually lost the

1034
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:19,690
evidence what the father he lose all you

1035
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:21,280
work for a newspaper in Teresa's well

1036
00:39:24,510 --> 00:39:22,690
I'm not having it I'm gonna go to the

1037
00:39:26,670 --> 00:39:24,520
newspapers and call you out on your

1038
00:39:30,510 --> 00:39:26,680
incompetence at which point they

1039
00:39:30,930 --> 00:39:30,520
mysteriously found the gun and at this

1040
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:30,940
point

1041
00:39:36,030 --> 00:39:32,650
Vince abou burrows he was pretty much

1042
00:39:39,330 --> 00:39:36,040
forced to concoct a reason for this

1043
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:39,340
whole series of murders going down that

1044
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:41,770
would be believable without actually

1045
00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:43,810
exposing any of the real motivations

1046
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:46,630
behind it because this for theories

1047
00:39:51,870 --> 00:39:48,730
about Manson about the whole thing to do

1048
00:39:54,540 --> 00:39:51,880
with Charles Manson himself his

1049
00:39:56,850 --> 00:39:54,550
followers or such as they are and the

1050
00:39:59,070 --> 00:39:56,860
murders and also his collection services

1051
00:40:01,610 --> 00:39:59,080
and supply there the first is the

1052
00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:01,620
basically the standard Vincent Bugliosi

1053
00:40:07,350 --> 00:40:04,270
helter skelter theory which is that what

1054
00:40:10,170 --> 00:40:07,360
I told you before the second theory is

1055
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:10,180
the one that's promoted by Ed Sanders

1056
00:40:15,089 --> 00:40:12,730
and to an extent Dave McGowan

1057
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:15,099
and those other people that Manson was

1058
00:40:19,650 --> 00:40:16,810
actually involved in a satanic cult that

1059
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,660
was perhaps in some way connected to the

1060
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:21,520
process purity of final judgment which

1061
00:40:27,810 --> 00:40:23,940
was a issue of the Church of Scientology

1062
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,820
that had some ideas similar to some of

1063
00:40:32,190 --> 00:40:29,920
the things that Madison has said or was

1064
00:40:34,380 --> 00:40:32,200
reported to have said and that was the

1065
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:34,390
actual real reason behind the murders

1066
00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:37,510
the third theory is one that is put

1067
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:39,430
forward by Nicola Shrek and also by

1068
00:40:44,609 --> 00:40:41,650
William scan and Murphy that basically

1069
00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:44,619
the whole thing was nothing really to do

1070
00:40:49,980 --> 00:40:46,740
with Manson it was a pretty grubby and

1071
00:40:52,050 --> 00:40:49,990
straightforward drugs murder and all the

1072
00:40:54,990 --> 00:40:52,060
people that were involved were drug

1073
00:40:57,900 --> 00:40:55,000
dealers and it was just too much of an

1074
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,910
embarrassment to expose this because of

1075
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:00,160
all the sort of celebrities that it

1076
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:02,410
would have been involved and so they

1077
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:04,530
were forced to concoct a ludicrous

1078
00:41:09,210 --> 00:41:07,119
explanation for these crimes and then

1079
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:09,220
the fourth theory is one that's put out

1080
00:41:14,130 --> 00:41:11,770
by Megan Brussels and touched upon by

1081
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:14,140
Jennifer good an ago right is that

1082
00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:16,510
basically as part of something called

1083
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:19,150
operation chaos Charles Manson was an

1084
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:22,480
MKULTRA mind control victim that was

1085
00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:25,569
basically set upon society and

1086
00:41:30,930 --> 00:41:28,329
programmed to arrange these killings in

1087
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:30,940
order to demonize the free love movement

1088
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:34,000
the hippie movement and any sort of

1089
00:41:38,130 --> 00:41:35,890
anti-war political movement that might

1090
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:38,140
be tangentially connected to the or seem

1091
00:41:41,609 --> 00:41:39,609
to be connected to those particular

1092
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,619
groups so widely with the book was

1093
00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:43,599
basically first off trying get an

1094
00:41:48,540 --> 00:41:45,670
accurate time running Charles Manson's

1095
00:41:50,579 --> 00:41:48,550
life by getting as much information as

1096
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:50,589
many sources as I possibly could and

1097
00:41:55,770 --> 00:41:53,710
mashing it all together in a timeline

1098
00:41:58,140 --> 00:41:55,780
going from the murders up until he's

1099
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,150
imprisoned up until his sentencing and

1100
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:00,640
then starting from his birth going up

1101
00:42:05,970 --> 00:42:03,760
until the trial and once you do that you

1102
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:05,980
can start to sort of test these theories

1103
00:42:10,349 --> 00:42:08,710
by putting in or against them and having

1104
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:10,359
a look at it and their immediate one was

1105
00:42:15,089 --> 00:42:11,890
that basically all the prosecution's lie

1106
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:15,099
but for two reasons all for seven for

1107
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:17,410
dozens of reasons but first off the

1108
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:18,910
material evidence of the crime scene

1109
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:22,089
does not match the explanation that was

1110
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:24,640
given at trial it does not match the

1111
00:42:28,620 --> 00:42:26,170
explanation it was given

1112
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:28,630
by Vincent Bugliosi and his popularizers

1113
00:42:34,170 --> 00:42:31,569
is the real way that the murders went

1114
00:42:37,140 --> 00:42:34,180
down who was there what happened etc etc

1115
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:37,150
one of the main sort of proponents of

1116
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:39,010
the prosecution theory was that on a

1117
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:42,450
specific night New Year's Eve 1968

1118
00:42:48,089 --> 00:42:45,849
Charles Manson was at a bonfire giving a

1119
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,099
speech to his seeming acolytes and

1120
00:42:53,279 --> 00:42:50,400
Pilates said that it was at this

1121
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,289
specific time that he said now is the

1122
00:42:56,819 --> 00:42:55,119
time count skelter this year we're going

1123
00:42:58,620 --> 00:42:56,829
to basically round four counter skelter

1124
00:43:00,690 --> 00:42:58,630
this is the first time it was told about

1125
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:00,700
this apocalyptic race war the only

1126
00:43:04,049 --> 00:43:02,170
problem with this is if you look at the

1127
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:04,059
the actual physical evidence the facts

1128
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:07,089
at that specific time Charles Manson was

1129
00:43:12,420 --> 00:43:09,970
six hours away enjoying a very very

1130
00:43:14,849 --> 00:43:12,430
salubrious New Year's Eve party at the

1131
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:14,859
home of John Phillips who was the leader

1132
00:43:19,470 --> 00:43:17,170
and songwriter for the pop group The

1133
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:19,480
Mamas and the Papas so he couldn't

1134
00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:22,210
possibly made that speech interesting

1135
00:43:28,769 --> 00:43:25,380
man yeah so it's obviously a very

1136
00:43:31,230 --> 00:43:28,779
complex story overall I guess once Susan

1137
00:43:33,809 --> 00:43:31,240
Atkins one of his followers was being

1138
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,819
held for the first murder she was

1139
00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:35,680
visited by some high-priced

1140
00:43:40,650 --> 00:43:37,720
mob lawyers that basically got the ball

1141
00:43:42,509 --> 00:43:40,660
rolling on crafting their sensational

1142
00:43:44,789 --> 00:43:42,519
cult narrative to distract away from

1143
00:43:47,759 --> 00:43:44,799
those other aspects that might expose

1144
00:43:49,740 --> 00:43:47,769
the interests of the people that these

1145
00:43:53,279 --> 00:43:49,750
two lawyers might have really worked for

1146
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:53,289
right oh absolutely yeah that's entirely

1147
00:43:58,620 --> 00:43:55,569
thing this is one of the most ludicrous

1148
00:44:01,950 --> 00:43:58,630
aspects of the whole story I mean say

1149
00:44:03,870 --> 00:44:01,960
what you want but anybody is let's take

1150
00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:03,880
it's read that the prosecution story is

1151
00:44:09,930 --> 00:44:06,670
true the guy still deserves due process

1152
00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:09,940
and prior to the trial even taking place

1153
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,460
Halla Baron Kirk Caruso these two

1154
00:44:16,529 --> 00:44:14,319
high-priced lawyers that usually dealt

1155
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:16,539
with drug dealers and mafia from two

1156
00:44:23,099 --> 00:44:19,750
associates and basically for no money

1157
00:44:24,210 --> 00:44:23,109
decided to help Susan Atkins on the

1158
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,220
understanding that she made this

1159
00:44:27,450 --> 00:44:26,079
fantastic confession about all these

1160
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:27,460
celebrities that were going to be killed

1161
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:30,250
and what went on that night and life

1162
00:44:34,890 --> 00:44:32,079
under the control of the cult leader

1163
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:34,900
Charles Manson and not only did they

1164
00:44:39,059 --> 00:44:37,119
they get his confession and make her say

1165
00:44:41,299 --> 00:44:39,069
this in the grand jury

1166
00:44:43,229 --> 00:44:41,309
before the trial started they also

1167
00:44:46,259 --> 00:44:43,239
serialized it in the Los Angeles Times

1168
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:46,269
and then later it was publicized in a

1169
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:49,599
book by large Schiller called the

1170
00:44:53,279 --> 00:44:51,130
killing of Sharon Tate this book was

1171
00:44:57,079 --> 00:44:53,289
available and became a best-seller

1172
00:44:59,759 --> 00:44:57,089
before the trial started which again

1173
00:45:01,979 --> 00:44:59,769
let's take its read the prosecution case

1174
00:45:04,769 --> 00:45:01,989
is accurate that still grounds for a

1175
00:45:07,459 --> 00:45:04,779
mistrial there is no way that you can

1176
00:45:09,930 --> 00:45:07,469
get a completely unbiased jury in that

1177
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,940
circumstance if we're talking about

1178
00:45:13,319 --> 00:45:11,680
high-priced lawyers and mysterious

1179
00:45:15,989 --> 00:45:13,329
high-priced lawyers the whole case is

1180
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:15,999
littered with it Tex Watson to escape

1181
00:45:20,939 --> 00:45:19,119
away back to Texas I believe elder

1182
00:45:24,209 --> 00:45:20,949
movies incorrect father when he was

1183
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:24,219
hiding there awaiting trial himself for

1184
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:26,079
the murders but was actually sort of

1185
00:45:30,989 --> 00:45:28,930
being held in a prison or a jail cell a

1186
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:30,999
local jail cell by his cousin and

1187
00:45:34,979 --> 00:45:32,890
visited by his mom and his girlfriend

1188
00:45:36,989 --> 00:45:34,989
daily growing food packages and his

1189
00:45:39,469 --> 00:45:36,999
girlfriend was allowed to stay with him

1190
00:45:42,930 --> 00:45:39,479
in the cell so it wasn't particularly

1191
00:45:45,089 --> 00:45:42,940
hard going west the Manson trial was

1192
00:45:47,699 --> 00:45:45,099
going on and he was visited by

1193
00:45:48,989 --> 00:45:47,709
Dolson d'Alene I believe again that I

1194
00:45:51,390 --> 00:45:48,999
may have got those particular names

1195
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:51,400
wrong but these two again incredibly

1196
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:53,529
high-priced lawyers from Beverly Hills

1197
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:56,410
that have claimed to have spoken to him

1198
00:46:02,609 --> 00:45:59,920
35 to 40 times prior to meeting him that

1199
00:46:04,170 --> 00:46:02,619
year and see how some evidence that

1200
00:46:07,019 --> 00:46:04,180
they've been involved with him why this

1201
00:46:09,329 --> 00:46:07,029
seemingly penniless kid that had been

1202
00:46:11,849 --> 00:46:09,339
given everything up to be part of a cult

1203
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:11,859
as the prosecution came in why even had

1204
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:13,930
the money to go see these lawyers makes

1205
00:46:20,189 --> 00:46:17,680
little dessert to no sense and just

1206
00:46:22,140 --> 00:46:20,199
prior to his release in 1967 I believe

1207
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:22,150
no 7 it might have been early in the 50s

1208
00:46:26,789 --> 00:46:24,729
actually Charles Burns was visited by a

1209
00:46:29,130 --> 00:46:26,799
very high-priced Beverly Hills lawyer

1210
00:46:30,660 --> 00:46:29,140
called George Sibley and always recently

1211
00:46:32,339 --> 00:46:30,670
in contact with the lady that runs the

1212
00:46:34,650 --> 00:46:32,349
truth on tape at the Anchor website and

1213
00:46:36,299 --> 00:46:34,660
very nice lady and she told you

1214
00:46:38,699 --> 00:46:36,309
something I didn't know about that the

1215
00:46:40,739 --> 00:46:38,709
George Sibley who is later convened to

1216
00:46:43,459 --> 00:46:40,749
be one of the lawyers that works on

1217
00:46:47,130 --> 00:46:43,469
behalf of non other than sirhan sirhan

1218
00:46:50,449 --> 00:46:47,140
she's again being very very strange all

1219
00:46:52,819 --> 00:46:50,459
these connections to somebody that is

1220
00:46:56,329 --> 00:46:52,829
seemingly mr. Krim

1221
00:46:58,219 --> 00:46:56,339
and yeah it's super interesting all

1222
00:47:00,499 --> 00:46:58,229
around so I get that Manson was running

1223
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,509
drugs and pimping out women which makes

1224
00:47:05,140 --> 00:47:02,640
him a friend to the Hollywood crowd no

1225
00:47:07,699 --> 00:47:05,150
doubt yes but if the helter-skelter

1226
00:47:10,339 --> 00:47:07,709
scenario is made up if the cult e

1227
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:10,349
processed church type aspects are made

1228
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:12,209
up and there's nothing to the operation

1229
00:47:17,779 --> 00:47:14,910
chaos angles what was the motivation

1230
00:47:19,969 --> 00:47:17,789
behind the tate-labianca murders was it

1231
00:47:22,130 --> 00:47:19,979
just drug-related infighting that got

1232
00:47:24,650 --> 00:47:22,140
out of hand I'm afraid it looks very

1233
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:24,660
much like that you know when I first got

1234
00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:27,359
into this I really really was a big sort

1235
00:47:31,130 --> 00:47:29,160
of proponent of the processed Church

1236
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:31,140
final judgment theory I thought that was

1237
00:47:34,969 --> 00:47:33,209
really really strong I thought he was

1238
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:34,979
fascinating and because of the

1239
00:47:38,269 --> 00:47:36,690
connections people like Bill men surly

1240
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,279
was you know mentioned in the ultimate

1241
00:47:42,109 --> 00:47:40,079
evil and probably was one of these Son

1242
00:47:43,819 --> 00:47:42,119
of Sam shooters and his sort of

1243
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:43,829
tangential connection to the case I

1244
00:47:47,660 --> 00:47:45,529
thought that was really strong

1245
00:47:49,279 --> 00:47:47,670
essentially he was a drug dealer that

1246
00:47:52,219 --> 00:47:49,289
was knocking around at the same time and

1247
00:47:54,949 --> 00:47:52,229
he was friends with mama cats he also

1248
00:47:56,839 --> 00:47:54,959
was friends with Lena Jacobs who was

1249
00:47:58,339 --> 00:47:56,849
friends with Dennis Lewis and used to

1250
00:48:00,229 --> 00:47:58,349
stay and Dennis forces when Charles

1251
00:48:02,449 --> 00:48:00,239
Manson was there and he was friends with

1252
00:48:04,729 --> 00:48:02,459
Robert Evans and Robert Evans was a good

1253
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:04,739
friend of Sharon Tate's Robert Evans

1254
00:48:10,219 --> 00:48:07,680
basically thrown Sharon Tate every night

1255
00:48:12,739 --> 00:48:10,229
Oso visited her every day that Roman

1256
00:48:14,809 --> 00:48:12,749
Polanski was away once lassie was away

1257
00:48:16,699 --> 00:48:14,819
make sure that she was safe the only

1258
00:48:19,339 --> 00:48:16,709
time he didn't visit was on the night of

1259
00:48:22,609 --> 00:48:19,349
August the 8th when for some strange

1260
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:22,619
reason he just decided to phone her

1261
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:24,930
instead and she informed him that she

1262
00:48:27,949 --> 00:48:26,249
wasn't gonna staying night she was gonna

1263
00:48:30,049 --> 00:48:27,959
go and stay a friend she loved wells his

1264
00:48:30,829 --> 00:48:30,059
house and there 15 minutes later she

1265
00:48:33,079 --> 00:48:30,839
changed her mind

1266
00:48:35,509 --> 00:48:33,089
15 minutes later than that text turned

1267
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,519
up with Susan and Patricia and Linda and

1268
00:48:39,439 --> 00:48:37,440
the rest is history

1269
00:48:41,059 --> 00:48:39,449
what's strange is at the trial Doris

1270
00:48:43,579 --> 00:48:41,069
Tate was approached by Sandra good

1271
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:43,589
another friend of Charles Manson and she

1272
00:48:47,449 --> 00:48:45,089
basically implore to us since we're

1273
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:47,459
really really sorry we didn't think that

1274
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:49,529
Sharon was going to be there we phoned

1275
00:48:53,180 --> 00:48:51,209
ahead and we were told that she wasn't

1276
00:48:55,279 --> 00:48:53,190
going to be there now that's very

1277
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,289
interesting when basically you know

1278
00:48:59,180 --> 00:48:57,359
Robert Evans I think Rob Evans really

1279
00:49:01,549 --> 00:48:59,190
needs to be spoken to a little bit more

1280
00:49:03,439 --> 00:49:01,559
about what he's doing and what he knew

1281
00:49:06,650 --> 00:49:03,449
about what's going to happen that

1282
00:49:08,060 --> 00:49:06,660
particular night but

1283
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:08,070
what was he was your question Greg oh

1284
00:49:13,220 --> 00:49:11,160
just what the true motivation was if it

1285
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:13,230
was just inviting that got out of hand

1286
00:49:17,180 --> 00:49:15,090
drug-related yeah

1287
00:49:19,820 --> 00:49:17,190
that's essentially what the more I

1288
00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:19,830
looked into it the more I thought

1289
00:49:23,420 --> 00:49:21,000
through the best research had been

1290
00:49:25,580 --> 00:49:23,430
duelist the best insight is this had

1291
00:49:27,950 --> 00:49:25,590
been from William Schuyler Murphy and

1292
00:49:30,170 --> 00:49:27,960
the best research had been journalists

1293
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:30,180
who've been by Nicolaus Shrek on his

1294
00:49:33,950 --> 00:49:32,370
book the Manson file I don't agree with

1295
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:33,960
everything that he says but I think he

1296
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:35,400
gets an incredible amount right

1297
00:49:38,090 --> 00:49:36,690
particular stuff that lives what we

1298
00:49:40,070 --> 00:49:38,100
thought William scale and Murphy said

1299
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:40,080
and essentially what happened was Jay

1300
00:49:45,620 --> 00:49:42,570
Sebring was a drug dealer he dealt came

1301
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:45,630
to people like Peter Sellers and Paul

1302
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,850
Newman and Steve McQueen and all this

1303
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:49,440
sort of same clients that he used to

1304
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,050
cook hair for he was like you use

1305
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:53,520
basically the person that popularized

1306
00:49:58,400 --> 00:49:56,400
metrosexuality to an extent as much as

1307
00:50:00,140 --> 00:49:58,410
he may be perfectly acceptable from very

1308
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,150
much for people to take pride in their

1309
00:50:04,310 --> 00:50:01,920
appearance in a way that not been

1310
00:50:06,020 --> 00:50:04,320
allowed to before but he also dealt a

1311
00:50:08,780 --> 00:50:06,030
huge amount of drugs to these people

1312
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:08,790
which he got from the bocal Joe Rossdale

1313
00:50:13,310 --> 00:50:10,170
John Russell's and Shannon babies he

1314
00:50:15,740 --> 00:50:13,320
connected mafia guy and he turned up on

1315
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:15,750
the night of August the 8th with a huge

1316
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,850
package of cocaine to Jay Sebring

1317
00:50:22,370 --> 00:50:19,920
basically what happened was just prior

1318
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:22,380
to this Wojtek Kowski who is a friend of

1319
00:50:25,550 --> 00:50:23,760
Roman Polanski who was trying to break

1320
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:25,560
into the movie industry but just really

1321
00:50:29,330 --> 00:50:27,300
wasn't doing particularly well I decided

1322
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:29,340
the drugs were perhaps a better Avenue

1323
00:50:34,460 --> 00:50:32,010
and he'd approached he three Canadian

1324
00:50:36,980 --> 00:50:34,470
drug dealers who'd got out of this big

1325
00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:36,990
batch of something called MDA which it's

1326
00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:40,260
kind of like ecstasy or MDMA but not

1327
00:50:43,220 --> 00:50:41,160
quite

1328
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:43,230
he's put fairy dust sometimes but

1329
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:45,000
basically they've got hold of a loaded

1330
00:50:48,980 --> 00:50:46,530
it and decided that he's gonna say

1331
00:50:52,550 --> 00:50:48,990
himself with his feet of MDA baron in

1332
00:50:53,180 --> 00:50:52,560
Los Angeles and he sold a load to Linda

1333
00:50:56,810 --> 00:50:53,190
Kasabian

1334
00:50:58,370 --> 00:50:56,820
beard it's a really really nice girl

1335
00:51:00,080 --> 00:50:58,380
they've been brought in and sort of like

1336
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:00,090
manipulated by Charles Manson she was

1337
00:51:04,340 --> 00:51:02,370
only at the branch about two weeks if

1338
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:04,350
that and she spent all the time with

1339
00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:06,960
tanks before she even turned up she

1340
00:51:11,780 --> 00:51:09,180
stole their ancient ounce of acid and

1341
00:51:13,850 --> 00:51:11,790
five thousand dollars from her husband

1342
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:13,860
actually from the husband's friend and

1343
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:15,450
gave it to Tex

1344
00:51:20,359 --> 00:51:17,490
she didn't give it to Charlie she gave

1345
00:51:23,299 --> 00:51:20,369
its tax seems known to be hungry

1346
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:23,309
drug dealer as well and was not a very

1347
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,380
savory character and Tex was essentially

1348
00:51:29,329 --> 00:51:27,359
a drug dealer Tex wasn't really involved

1349
00:51:31,339 --> 00:51:29,339
with Charlie at all he didn't live on

1350
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:31,349
the main part of the ranch he was able

1351
00:51:35,779 --> 00:51:33,210
to stay on the outskirts at the ranch

1352
00:51:38,749 --> 00:51:35,789
because he traded a truck to Charlie for

1353
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,759
him Charlie liking Tex was a rent boy it

1354
00:51:42,259 --> 00:51:40,559
was basically small-time drug dealer

1355
00:51:44,180 --> 00:51:42,269
that was knocking about with and trying

1356
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:44,190
to ingratiate himself with Dennis Wilson

1357
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,710
and when Charlie basically rolled up and

1358
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:49,200
started staying at Dennis Wilson's house

1359
00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:51,690
Tex just so happened to be there being

1360
00:51:56,180 --> 00:51:53,849
part of the sort of ongoing party that

1361
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:56,190
was basically going on at denizens house

1362
00:52:01,519 --> 00:51:58,410
and else's house and Romo Casas house

1363
00:52:04,099 --> 00:52:01,529
its Cielo Drive like Manson ushio Drive

1364
00:52:05,989 --> 00:52:04,109
like part of their many many times and

1365
00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:05,999
detects used to live there with a bloke

1366
00:52:11,930 --> 00:52:08,329
called Dean Moore hands before basically

1367
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,940
Texan Linda was sold a batch of this MDA

1368
00:52:14,989 --> 00:52:13,680
and it turned out to be rubbish she

1369
00:52:17,989 --> 00:52:14,999
turned out to be particularly poor

1370
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,999
quality MDA and so they were really

1371
00:52:21,980 --> 00:52:20,160
really pissed up about this that's why

1372
00:52:24,140 --> 00:52:21,990
they targeted that house on that

1373
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,150
particular night not because of revenge

1374
00:52:29,390 --> 00:52:26,640
against the music industry if after the

1375
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:29,400
murders Manson was seen knocking about

1376
00:52:34,579 --> 00:52:31,980
with Terry Melcher he knew that area

1377
00:52:37,220 --> 00:52:34,589
moved to Malibu he knew exactly who

1378
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,230
lived at that house Manson didn't tell

1379
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:39,599
him to go to the house Manson basically

1380
00:52:44,569 --> 00:52:42,569
told Tex get some money for Bobby

1381
00:52:45,170 --> 00:52:44,579
because Bobby had been arrested for a

1382
00:52:48,259 --> 00:52:45,180
deal

1383
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:48,269
Manson owned Bobby a favor text Oh

1384
00:52:51,529 --> 00:52:49,440
Manson a favor

1385
00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:51,539
Madison goes well it's easy you owe

1386
00:52:54,499 --> 00:52:53,339
Bobby a favor and the favor you need to

1387
00:52:56,420 --> 00:52:54,509
do is you need to get him out of jail

1388
00:52:58,489 --> 00:52:56,430
get someone you sent together so they

1389
00:53:01,069 --> 00:52:58,499
can have a lawyer don't care how him do

1390
00:53:02,779 --> 00:53:01,079
it he was at that point Manson was

1391
00:53:05,509 --> 00:53:02,789
actually off with a young Jewish girl of

1392
00:53:07,789 --> 00:53:05,519
course Stephanie SRAM in San Diego and

1393
00:53:09,769 --> 00:53:07,799
didn't get back into the ranch until

1394
00:53:12,739 --> 00:53:09,779
about 2:00 3:00 in the morning which

1395
00:53:14,539 --> 00:53:12,749
point then shortly after that the guys

1396
00:53:15,859 --> 00:53:14,549
came back saying oh we've killed

1397
00:53:18,829 --> 00:53:15,869
everybody we went over there basically

1398
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:18,839
take their drugs and it all went wrong

1399
00:53:22,759 --> 00:53:21,210
Sharon made a run for it those are

1400
00:53:25,460 --> 00:53:22,769
basically what happened was yeah Sharon

1401
00:53:26,029 --> 00:53:25,470
bedroom for a text split out and stabbed

1402
00:53:29,660 --> 00:53:26,039
her to death

1403
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:29,670
Steven parents aura is driving down the

1404
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:31,529
ran so fast that he very nearly went

1405
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:33,450
over a ravine then he

1406
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:35,910
standby Linda Kasabian and then shot by

1407
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:39,089
Tex then they shot Jay Sebring and then

1408
00:53:43,609 --> 00:53:41,400
they ran off they left abigail folger

1409
00:53:46,130 --> 00:53:43,619
and voytek frykowski alive how do we

1410
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:46,140
know this because the police report

1411
00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:49,050
states that basically Abigail and voytek

1412
00:53:52,579 --> 00:53:50,760
were heard screaming for their life

1413
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,589
about four in the morning and gunshots

1414
00:53:56,329 --> 00:53:54,480
were going off at four in the morning so

1415
00:53:59,060 --> 00:53:56,339
basically what happened was these guys

1416
00:54:01,099 --> 00:53:59,070
went over there to rob JCVD of his drugs

1417
00:54:02,450 --> 00:54:01,109
first they went over to try and break

1418
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:02,460
into JC bruised hands

1419
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:04,650
JC Brie's house backed onto the house of

1420
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:06,810
this couple called the Weber's this is

1421
00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:08,250
never really spoken about basically he's

1422
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:10,020
always spoke about that the web has

1423
00:54:14,060 --> 00:54:12,210
caught them using their homes drinking

1424
00:54:15,530 --> 00:54:14,070
from their homes what's not talked about

1425
00:54:17,780 --> 00:54:15,540
is the fact that the Weber's house backs

1426
00:54:19,609 --> 00:54:17,790
on to Jay Sebring his house so the

1427
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:19,619
inference that his belief while Williams

1428
00:54:24,109 --> 00:54:21,450
Galla Murphy Nikolas threatened myself

1429
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,119
is that basically they were there to try

1430
00:54:28,670 --> 00:54:25,920
and break into Jay shipping's house to

1431
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:28,680
steal more of his drugs they went back

1432
00:54:31,220 --> 00:54:29,460
to the ranch

1433
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:31,230
a man sensed his rights and what's gone

1434
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:33,089
off oh we killed all these people

1435
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,210
right okay is anyone left alive oh yeah

1436
00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:38,640
probably did you earn could be attract

1437
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:41,310
no not at all okay right so they get

1438
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:43,710
back in the car drive back over to Cielo

1439
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:45,930
Drive at which point they execute

1440
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:48,569
abigail folger and voytek Cassie which

1441
00:54:54,050 --> 00:54:51,089
means that Madison was probably almost

1442
00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:54,060
certainly a witness to murders but he

1443
00:54:57,859 --> 00:54:55,950
didn't order the murders he didn't

1444
00:54:59,240 --> 00:54:57,869
arrange for them these people were not

1445
00:55:02,240 --> 00:54:59,250
his acolytes

1446
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,250
the very fact that basically what

1447
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:03,839
happened was Tex tried to steal a load

1448
00:55:08,059 --> 00:55:06,000
of weed from this black drug dealer

1449
00:55:10,250 --> 00:55:08,069
called Bernard lots of hopper Crowe and

1450
00:55:12,140 --> 00:55:10,260
he left his ex girlfriend there as like

1451
00:55:13,700 --> 00:55:12,150
collateral no he hated his ex-girlfriend

1452
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:13,710
and wanted to get back her because she'd

1453
00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:15,569
stolen some money from him so he just

1454
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:17,460
left her there and just ran off and

1455
00:55:21,170 --> 00:55:19,530
Bernard Crowe phones up the ranches and

1456
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:21,180
burned around town come over there and

1457
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:22,770
kill all the boats and rape all the

1458
00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:25,290
women unless you sort this out which

1459
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:27,240
plain text says are no I'm not going

1460
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,609
Charley can't get anybody including the

1461
00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:31,440
hardened criminals like Danny to Carla

1462
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:33,540
to go over there and help him sort this

1463
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:35,490
business out that text is going into

1464
00:55:41,150 --> 00:55:38,730
what summer complete is there they can't

1465
00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:41,160
even direct his own followers whose only

1466
00:55:47,110 --> 00:55:44,280
partly the his most committed followers

1467
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:47,120
to actually get off their ass and

1468
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:49,250
do anything for him so basically as I

1469
00:55:53,290 --> 00:55:51,440
say this they come back at about and see

1470
00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:53,300
three Lemoine two three in the morning

1471
00:55:58,180 --> 00:55:55,730
pumping two Manson they go back out

1472
00:56:00,100 --> 00:55:58,190
there about four in the morning and they

1473
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:00,110
finish off voytek frykowski and up Gail

1474
00:56:05,140 --> 00:56:02,930
Folger and then they leave and that's it

1475
00:56:07,810 --> 00:56:05,150
the reasons that they went to the lab

1476
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:07,820
Yonkers the next night are a bit

1477
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:11,570
complicated forest and there's still

1478
00:56:16,570 --> 00:56:14,450
some question marks about it the reason

1479
00:56:20,410 --> 00:56:16,580
that Charlie says he went over there and

1480
00:56:22,330 --> 00:56:20,420
this is nobody seems to do you know

1481
00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:22,340
actually sort of gone through the

1482
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:24,710
interviews with Charlie and listens to

1483
00:56:28,660 --> 00:56:26,810
what he said now a lot of what he says

1484
00:56:30,670 --> 00:56:28,670
is completely impenetrable because of

1485
00:56:33,310 --> 00:56:30,680
Silas to fire so you need to learn to

1486
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:33,320
understand it once you do that they even

1487
00:56:37,630 --> 00:56:34,610
if you don't do that there's a lot of

1488
00:56:38,860 --> 00:56:37,640
you tell you exactly what went on

1489
00:56:40,990 --> 00:56:38,870
it's just that basically most people

1490
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:41,000
just dismisses than the rantings of a

1491
00:56:46,270 --> 00:56:44,000
lunatic he was completely honest never

1492
00:56:48,820 --> 00:56:46,280
changed his story as far as I can see

1493
00:56:51,490 --> 00:56:48,830
and basically told you exactly the

1494
00:56:54,010 --> 00:56:51,500
reason that went on in a an interview

1495
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:54,020
with hardcopy when he was asked why

1496
00:56:59,110 --> 00:56:57,440
there at the lab Yonkers he said I went

1497
00:57:01,180 --> 00:56:59,120
there to get a little black book a

1498
00:57:03,010 --> 00:57:01,190
little black book that basically

1499
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:03,020
contains some information that was to do

1500
00:57:06,460 --> 00:57:04,250
with the math here in the music industry

1501
00:57:09,070 --> 00:57:06,470
and I walked in there and said Toledo

1502
00:57:12,310 --> 00:57:09,080
now Bianca I'm here from Frankie Carbone

1503
00:57:13,660 --> 00:57:12,320
okay give me the little black book if

1504
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,670
you don't give it a little black book

1505
00:57:18,130 --> 00:57:15,440
you're gonna die it's as simple as that

1506
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:18,140
and then he said the black book wasn't

1507
00:57:22,180 --> 00:57:19,910
there so he couldn't go so Manson left

1508
00:57:24,430 --> 00:57:22,190
and the interviewer says did you know

1509
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:24,440
lino LaBianca has started lonely no

1510
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:26,330
LaBianca Bert Leno LaBianca new front

1511
00:57:30,580 --> 00:57:28,490
car Bob and I knew Frankie Carbone

1512
00:57:33,550 --> 00:57:30,590
Frankie Carlo was an incredibly

1513
00:57:34,930 --> 00:57:33,560
influential Mafia figure that Manson

1514
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:34,940
just so happened to rub shoulders with

1515
00:57:41,140 --> 00:57:39,200
in prison in his youth he also was close

1516
00:57:43,300 --> 00:57:41,150
to Frank Costello who's also known as

1517
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:43,310
the prime minister of crime and through

1518
00:57:47,980 --> 00:57:45,680
his connections with creepy carpets who

1519
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:47,990
was his cellmate for time he was also

1520
00:57:53,710 --> 00:57:50,720
introduced into the good graces of

1521
00:57:56,290 --> 00:57:53,720
Mickey Cohen in order to be able to play

1522
00:57:58,960 --> 00:57:56,300
music concern Barnes in San Francisco

1523
00:58:00,760 --> 00:57:58,970
and barriers like that against the

1524
00:58:04,540 --> 00:58:00,770
intrigues and threads that went

1525
00:58:07,450 --> 00:58:04,550
in case enumerate and often run to it

1526
00:58:10,510 --> 00:58:07,460
early few rating dead end the murder

1527
00:58:12,250 --> 00:58:10,520
again is done by Tex okay text turned up

1528
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:12,260
and killed these people okay

1529
00:58:16,210 --> 00:58:13,520
and the evidence again shows that

1530
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:16,220
basically he put a dress on over

1531
00:58:20,590 --> 00:58:18,170
rosemary LaBianca cos night dress and

1532
00:58:22,750 --> 00:58:20,600
took her out the car which was always

1533
00:58:25,210 --> 00:58:22,760
left on the drive with an expensive boat

1534
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:25,220
on it was left on the road with the boat

1535
00:58:29,020 --> 00:58:27,170
still attached and the keys in the

1536
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:29,030
ignition which indicates that basically

1537
00:58:34,690 --> 00:58:31,490
rosary was very courtly dressed and

1538
00:58:38,530 --> 00:58:34,700
taken away from her home possibly to her

1539
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:38,540
boutique possibly to the supermarket

1540
00:58:42,430 --> 00:58:40,610
where her husband worked because her

1541
00:58:44,770 --> 00:58:42,440
husband would both be in massive amounts

1542
00:58:46,510 --> 00:58:44,780
of debt to various mafia members through

1543
00:58:50,050 --> 00:58:46,520
his gambling and had been stealing from

1544
00:58:52,210 --> 00:58:50,060
the place where he worked so that night

1545
00:58:54,460 --> 00:58:52,220
was the last night that he would have

1546
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:54,470
had access to that safe which is very

1547
00:58:57,790 --> 00:58:55,040
very strange

1548
00:59:00,520 --> 00:58:57,800
Nicholas shred reports to no witnesses

1549
00:59:02,530 --> 00:59:00,530
and people that have intimated that road

1550
00:59:04,330 --> 00:59:02,540
without Bianca was actually a drug

1551
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:04,340
dealer and she was supposed to deliver

1552
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:07,280
LSD to see own drive but didn't have the

1553
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:07,730
chance

1554
00:59:12,970 --> 00:59:10,850
and this is why Tex was angered and

1555
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:12,980
decided to take his wrath out on her

1556
00:59:18,070 --> 00:59:15,850
this may well be true she was certainly

1557
00:59:19,690 --> 00:59:18,080
wealthier than abigail folger

1558
00:59:22,510 --> 00:59:19,700
abigail folger was the heiress to the

1559
00:59:26,620 --> 00:59:22,520
Folger coffee company and so she was a

1560
00:59:29,860 --> 00:59:26,630
socialite so if this random woman who

1561
00:59:31,540 --> 00:59:29,870
ran at a dress shop is somehow wealthier

1562
00:59:34,210 --> 00:59:31,550
than this socialite something weird is

1563
00:59:36,550 --> 00:59:34,220
going on there basically one thing that

1564
00:59:39,370 --> 00:59:36,560
Strange's the main beneficiary of the

1565
00:59:40,690 --> 00:59:39,380
murders who got between the police

1566
00:59:43,450 --> 00:59:40,700
debated is basically what two hundred

1567
00:59:45,490 --> 00:59:43,460
thousand or two million i think the

1568
00:59:47,980 --> 00:59:45,500
actual real number lies somewhere in the

1569
00:59:50,380 --> 00:59:47,990
middle was the daughter of rosemary

1570
00:59:51,970 --> 00:59:50,390
LaBianca after the death of her she

1571
00:59:56,730 --> 00:59:51,980
inherited all this money that rosemary

1572
00:59:59,440 --> 00:59:56,740
had scrolled away years later Susan

1573
01:00:00,990 --> 00:59:59,450
Struthers who was the daughter rose from

1574
01:00:03,180 --> 01:00:01,000
that Bianca

1575
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:03,190
he turned upon her a false name and

1576
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:06,250
started trying to plead for Texas

1577
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:09,310
release from prison only later was it

1578
01:00:14,740 --> 01:00:12,290
like it revealed who she was

1579
01:00:16,750 --> 01:00:14,750
and it actually transpires that her

1580
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:16,760
Intex were friends before the murders

1581
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:18,290
like she actually even used to live

1582
01:00:22,990 --> 01:00:20,330
almost next door to Tex and they used to

1583
01:00:25,180 --> 01:00:23,000
knock around his friends and Tex also

1584
01:00:28,780 --> 01:00:25,190
knew her boyfriend Atlanta Joe Dorgan

1585
01:00:30,430 --> 01:00:28,790
who was a straight Satan motorcycle gang

1586
01:00:32,770 --> 01:00:30,440
member and they they were also connected

1587
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:32,780
with the various of criminal activities

1588
01:00:37,330 --> 01:00:34,730
of Manson and and the group that was

1589
01:00:41,110 --> 01:00:37,340
knocking around him so there is a

1590
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:41,120
distinct possibility that basically Tex

1591
01:00:47,230 --> 01:00:44,240
could somehow arranged to do this with

1592
01:00:49,420 --> 01:00:47,240
Susan but also the evidence looks like

1593
01:00:51,970 --> 01:00:49,430
the lab yonkers was sort of kind of

1594
01:00:54,460 --> 01:00:51,980
tricked into it the basically did it was

1595
01:00:56,290 --> 01:00:54,470
almost like a sort of a fake burglary

1596
01:00:57,790 --> 01:00:56,300
where they felt that they were going to

1597
01:00:59,860 --> 01:00:57,800
get you know all this money that was

1598
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:59,870
gonna get robbed from wherever they were

1599
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:01,280
gonna go quite a bit which would go

1600
01:01:05,410 --> 01:01:02,960
towards helping his gambling debts and

1601
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:05,420
such like that but in the end they were

1602
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:07,850
double-crossed by Tex and Susan they

1603
01:01:12,250 --> 01:01:10,160
ended up murdering them I know it's a

1604
01:01:15,580 --> 01:01:12,260
bit strange and convoluted news by no

1605
01:01:18,820 --> 01:01:15,590
means proven that but to my mind I think

1606
01:01:20,860 --> 01:01:18,830
that is the most realistic way that it

1607
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,870
actually happened yeah I mean I think it

1608
01:01:23,740 --> 01:01:22,160
makes a lot of sense and I really

1609
01:01:27,070 --> 01:01:23,750
appreciate you breaking down that

1610
01:01:28,690 --> 01:01:27,080
complex narrative heat but that pretty

1611
01:01:31,810 --> 01:01:28,700
much brings us to the finish line Neal

1612
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:31,820
always good to stay vigilant and aware I

1613
01:01:35,260 --> 01:01:33,680
really appreciate the work you do

1614
01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:35,270
tell the people one more time where they

1615
01:01:38,860 --> 01:01:37,070
can get your books and follow up on your

1616
01:01:41,410 --> 01:01:38,870
work if they need more Neal Sanders

1617
01:01:43,060 --> 01:01:41,420
thank you very much my books are

1618
01:01:45,460 --> 01:01:43,070
available from Neil sounds mind control

1619
01:01:49,450 --> 01:01:45,470
calm or they're all available on Kindle

1620
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:49,460
as well and also from rich planet on

1621
01:01:53,890 --> 01:01:51,440
there if you want to get hold of me get

1622
01:01:57,250 --> 01:01:53,900
I'll be email me through the website or

1623
01:01:59,920 --> 01:01:57,260
you can buy me on Facebook and I hate it

1624
01:02:02,200 --> 01:01:59,930
so like a right hypocrite now but I am

1625
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:02,210
you know here is a user platform for

1626
01:02:06,790 --> 01:02:04,610
contacting people who supply that so

1627
01:02:08,140 --> 01:02:06,800
that's pretty much it so yeah thank you

1628
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:08,150
very much now John Gregg it's always a

1629
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:10,970
massive pleasure and throat said Simeon

1630
01:02:15,070 --> 01:02:12,530
so thank you very much in talking to a

1631
01:02:17,590 --> 01:02:15,080
group but in this thing you got it ma'am

1632
01:02:20,500 --> 01:02:17,600
awesome stuff thanks again and do take

1633
01:02:22,750 --> 01:02:20,510
care of yourself out there all right all

1634
01:02:25,660 --> 01:02:22,760
right all right people hell of a show

1635
01:02:27,099 --> 01:02:25,670
Neil Sanders hell of a guest

1636
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:27,109
I'm glad I could get him back on cuz

1637
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:29,839
it's been a long long time and it was

1638
01:02:34,690 --> 01:02:32,089
just that fact and knowing how much work

1639
01:02:37,539 --> 01:02:34,700
he's done on sex rings and pedophiles

1640
01:02:40,180 --> 01:02:37,549
and mind-control and Hollywood that made

1641
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:40,190
me pursue it and he just so happened to

1642
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:41,930
have a new book out about the Manson

1643
01:02:47,020 --> 01:02:43,849
murders so it worked out really well

1644
01:02:49,210 --> 01:02:47,030
when when personally I think that first

1645
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:49,220
20 minutes is really worth revisiting

1646
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:52,400
because Neil drops a ton of names and

1647
01:02:56,289 --> 01:02:54,770
connections my special lady was

1648
01:02:58,240 --> 01:02:56,299
listening to it and it sent her down a

1649
01:03:00,280 --> 01:02:58,250
huge rabbit hole of interweaving

1650
01:03:02,829 --> 01:03:00,290
connections that will make your skin

1651
01:03:04,359 --> 01:03:02,839
crawl in fact we did a lot of the work

1652
01:03:06,849 --> 01:03:04,369
for you because if you just go through

1653
01:03:09,819 --> 01:03:06,859
the show notes there's a lot of those

1654
01:03:11,500 --> 01:03:09,829
links right there and I struggled to

1655
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:11,510
find a good title for this episode

1656
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:13,280
because I really wanted something about

1657
01:03:18,010 --> 01:03:15,890
data in it just because it's such an

1658
01:03:20,530 --> 01:03:18,020
underrepresented aspect of the modern

1659
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:20,540
digital age and it is pretty scary and

1660
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:23,599
those parts of this interview went by so

1661
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:25,609
fast but they are worth really

1662
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:28,010
considering I mean even rumba is

1663
01:03:32,799 --> 01:03:30,079
apparently mapping people's floor plans

1664
01:03:35,230 --> 01:03:32,809
and selling that data every goddamn

1665
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:35,240
thing is data and it's only gonna get

1666
01:03:40,420 --> 01:03:37,730
more refined and better at manipulating

1667
01:03:42,579 --> 01:03:40,430
us on an individual catered level and

1668
01:03:44,770 --> 01:03:42,589
that's why I think net neutrality is

1669
01:03:47,289 --> 01:03:44,780
just a bit humorous all the major

1670
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:47,299
companies put what they want you to see

1671
01:03:50,589 --> 01:03:49,010
in front of you and subtly make it

1672
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:50,599
slightly more difficult to get the

1673
01:03:55,539 --> 01:03:52,010
things outside of their preferred

1674
01:03:57,460 --> 01:03:55,549
content 90% of web traffic is like what

1675
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:57,470
five websites and now people want a

1676
01:04:02,589 --> 01:04:00,559
protest net neutrality I don't know I

1677
01:04:04,420 --> 01:04:02,599
just think if everybody's paying

1678
01:04:06,819 --> 01:04:04,430
attention to something you really should

1679
01:04:08,980 --> 01:04:06,829
look a little deeper because we are such

1680
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:08,990
sheep and these games are never what

1681
01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:11,690
they seem I don't know I just think it's

1682
01:04:16,359 --> 01:04:14,329
an arbitrary buzzword and it's a bit of

1683
01:04:18,490 --> 01:04:16,369
a red herring and I'm not saying the

1684
01:04:20,710 --> 01:04:18,500
internet can't get worse but this thing

1685
01:04:22,780 --> 01:04:20,720
is designed as a militarized Network

1686
01:04:25,180 --> 01:04:22,790
from the ground up it's a bit silly to

1687
01:04:27,549 --> 01:04:25,190
expect it to care about who has rights

1688
01:04:29,530 --> 01:04:27,559
to what but Neil brought up some great

1689
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:29,540
points in that regard and it really

1690
01:04:33,309 --> 01:04:31,010
could have been a full show on its own

1691
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:33,319
of course the bulk of the conversation

1692
01:04:37,690 --> 01:04:35,599
is a walk through of Neil's examination

1693
01:04:39,610 --> 01:04:37,700
of the Manson murders and all the holes

1694
01:04:41,770 --> 01:04:39,620
in the story another thing

1695
01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:41,780
wife was looking into like one thing I

1696
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:44,510
asked about in the Plus show was this

1697
01:04:49,290 --> 01:04:47,210
claim that Jack Nicholson was one of the

1698
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:49,300
cleaners of the tape murder scene and

1699
01:04:52,750 --> 01:04:50,720
apparently that's pretty

1700
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:52,760
well-established but what I also learned

1701
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:54,770
of course these murders were at Roman

1702
01:04:58,720 --> 01:04:56,930
Polanski's house who famously fled the

1703
01:05:01,240 --> 01:04:58,730
country over the allegations of having

1704
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:01,250
sex with an underage girl well do you

1705
01:05:07,030 --> 01:05:03,970
know where this allegedly took place

1706
01:05:09,610 --> 01:05:07,040
Jack Nicholson's house so apparently

1707
01:05:11,590 --> 01:05:09,620
they were pretty friendly I also think

1708
01:05:13,420 --> 01:05:11,600
it's just too suspicious that Roman

1709
01:05:15,610 --> 01:05:13,430
Polanski was out of the country when his

1710
01:05:19,210 --> 01:05:15,620
wife was killed at home that is like

1711
01:05:20,770 --> 01:05:19,220
textbook it's awfully convenient and I

1712
01:05:23,380 --> 01:05:20,780
know Neil knows us and he doesn't find

1713
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:23,390
it suspicious but I'm just saying Neil

1714
01:05:28,210 --> 01:05:25,250
is right though so much doesn't add up

1715
01:05:30,370 --> 01:05:28,220
about the official story and how funny

1716
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:30,380
that there's an earth aspect to help

1717
01:05:33,940 --> 01:05:31,850
there skelter I really did not know that

1718
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:33,950
the idea that they were looking for a

1719
01:05:38,650 --> 01:05:36,050
bottomless pit of Hopi legend a tunnel

1720
01:05:40,810 --> 01:05:38,660
to somewhere inside that's habitable you

1721
01:05:43,930 --> 01:05:40,820
know I love that even if it is just the

1722
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:43,940
fantasy overlay I suppose it's a little

1723
01:05:48,100 --> 01:05:45,650
deflating to think the mind control and

1724
01:05:49,870 --> 01:05:48,110
ritual aspects are overblown but Neil

1725
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:49,880
has done a lot of work on these subjects

1726
01:05:53,740 --> 01:05:51,770
before so I don't see him being afraid

1727
01:05:56,500 --> 01:05:53,750
to go there if that's where the clues

1728
01:05:59,050 --> 01:05:56,510
lead regardless I don't think we've ever

1729
01:06:01,420 --> 01:05:59,060
really focused on the Manson saga for a

1730
01:06:03,370 --> 01:06:01,430
higher side Chet's episode now we can

1731
01:06:05,050 --> 01:06:03,380
say we have because it is an interesting

1732
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:05,060
tale and it does give us a little

1733
01:06:10,090 --> 01:06:06,890
glimpse into the Hollywood underground

1734
01:06:13,180 --> 01:06:10,100
and it's also timely given his recent

1735
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:13,190
passing so another one in the can of

1736
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:15,410
course in the second hour we got just a

1737
01:06:19,180 --> 01:06:17,450
lot deeper into Neil's Manson research

1738
01:06:21,010 --> 01:06:19,190
like I had mentioned we talked about the

1739
01:06:23,500 --> 01:06:21,020
details surrounding Jack Nicholson is

1740
01:06:25,300 --> 01:06:23,510
one of the tape murder cleaners homemade

1741
01:06:28,540 --> 01:06:25,310
celebrity porn that was found at the

1742
01:06:30,490 --> 01:06:28,550
Polanski home and then randomly I asked

1743
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:30,500
him about the snuff film allegations

1744
01:06:35,710 --> 01:06:33,200
against Hunter s Thompson we got into

1745
01:06:37,660 --> 01:06:35,720
the manson crew's operations stripping

1746
01:06:40,750 --> 01:06:37,670
down cars in the desert and why neil

1747
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:40,760
would find that talon and of course the

1748
01:06:44,770 --> 01:06:43,130
net neutrality fallacy the internet is a

1749
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:44,780
deep state surveillance and data

1750
01:06:47,710 --> 01:06:46,490
collection machine remember that when

1751
01:06:50,260 --> 01:06:47,720
you start talking about your online

1752
01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:50,270
rights and freedoms i've been kind of

1753
01:06:53,799 --> 01:06:52,070
having these thoughts and just reading

1754
01:06:56,559 --> 01:06:53,809
what Gordon rights on runes

1755
01:06:59,650 --> 01:06:56,569
soup has totally confirmed the way I

1756
01:07:02,109 --> 01:06:59,660
feel and we kept this Plus show off

1757
01:07:04,660 --> 01:07:02,119
talking about artists and just the churn

1758
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:04,670
and burn culture of the digital edge do

1759
01:07:08,529 --> 01:07:06,559
sign up for THC plus if you like the

1760
01:07:10,839 --> 01:07:08,539
show just treat yourself to a nice

1761
01:07:13,179 --> 01:07:10,849
end-of-the-year gift you can also sign

1762
01:07:15,130 --> 01:07:13,189
up through patreon if that's your jam or

1763
01:07:17,259 --> 01:07:15,140
just pick up a t-shirt at the higher

1764
01:07:20,109 --> 01:07:17,269
side clothing calm if you're into these

1765
01:07:21,549 --> 01:07:20,119
subjects I find it really hard to

1766
01:07:24,429 --> 01:07:21,559
believe that you wouldn't like at least

1767
01:07:26,349 --> 01:07:24,439
one shirt on that site and of course you

1768
01:07:28,059 --> 01:07:26,359
could just share these episodes that

1769
01:07:29,799 --> 01:07:28,069
would help me thank the guests for their

1770
01:07:32,709 --> 01:07:29,809
appearance I'd be really thankful for

1771
01:07:35,769 --> 01:07:32,719
any of those things so three more shows

1772
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:35,779
to close out this year to return guests

1773
01:07:40,089 --> 01:07:37,849
and a new but awesome one I think you're

1774
01:07:40,449 --> 01:07:40,099
gonna be pretty satisfied that's it for

1775
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:40,459
me today

1776
01:07:44,529 --> 01:07:42,890
your move mafia meddlers darkness

1777
01:07:46,539 --> 01:07:44,539
peddlers of the elite underground and

1778
01:07:50,949 --> 01:07:46,549
deep level data mining cabal's of the

1779
01:07:56,410 --> 01:07:50,959
digital age your [\h__\h] move you know

1780
01:07:59,549 --> 01:07:56,420
the plan has always been m'kay you're

1781
01:08:02,469 --> 01:07:59,559
just trying to drive you insane

1782
01:08:04,239 --> 01:08:02,479
they'll explode your heart if you think

1783
01:08:07,539 --> 01:08:04,249
that's what it means

1784
01:08:12,249 --> 01:08:07,549
you think I'm answering the phone when I

1785
01:08:14,679 --> 01:08:12,259
aim you gotta keep it burning strong cuz

1786
01:08:17,740 --> 01:08:14,689
I don't want anyone thinking you're at

1787
01:08:21,129 --> 01:08:17,750
home well you're not you should tape the

1788
01:08:24,579 --> 01:08:21,139
mail slot and baby if I seem withdrawn

1789
01:08:27,579 --> 01:08:24,589
let me say yes cuz I just don't wanna go

1790
01:08:31,380 --> 01:08:27,589
and get whacked maybe you should know

1791
01:08:35,940 --> 01:08:31,390
that the trauma of thank you

1792
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:35,950
everyone it's just a game when it's were

1793
01:08:43,140 --> 01:08:40,210
the ones become they want a patent and

1794
01:08:47,130 --> 01:08:43,150
the swap don't you see what's going on

1795
01:08:51,270 --> 01:08:47,140
well now you know you're better keeping

1796
01:08:55,170 --> 01:08:51,280
on your anchors you can see the Masters

1797
01:09:00,900 --> 01:08:55,180
lacking much oh baby you can only trust

1798
01:09:04,230 --> 01:09:00,910
yourself and if you think the systems

1799
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:04,240
out of touch it is and you can only

1800
01:09:10,490 --> 01:09:06,810
trust yourself

1801
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:10,500
hope you know male lead aren't your

1802
01:09:15,020 --> 01:09:11,370
friends

1803
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:15,030
the suck out everything from you in the

1804
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:19,410
end and if for some reason you think I

1805
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:23,370
might be wrong I wonder where you got

1806
01:09:30,290 --> 01:09:27,450
that opinion from you gotta keep it

1807
01:09:33,530 --> 01:09:30,300
wrong cuz I don't want anyone thinking

1808
01:09:36,980 --> 01:09:33,540
you're at home well you're not you

1809
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:36,990
should tape the male's lot and baby if I

1810
01:09:42,590 --> 01:09:39,690
seem withdrawn let me sing it's cuz I

1811
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:42,600
just don't wanna go and get whacked

1812
01:09:50,660 --> 01:09:46,170
maybe you should know that the trauma

1813
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:50,670
affects you like it does everyone it's

1814
01:09:56,990 --> 01:09:53,010
just the game when it's where the

1815
01:09:59,960 --> 01:09:57,000
world's become they want a pat down in

1816
01:10:01,620 --> 01:09:59,970
the swamp don't you see what's going on

1817
01:10:05,140 --> 01:10:01,630
well now

1818
01:10:09,580 --> 01:10:05,150
you're better came in on your uncle's

1819
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:09,590
you can see the Masters lighting much Oh

1820
01:10:19,420 --> 01:10:14,930
baby you can only trust yourself and if

1821
01:10:24,370 --> 01:10:19,430
you think the system's out of touch it

1822
01:10:42,730 --> 01:10:24,380
is and you can only trust yourself

1823
01:10:46,460 --> 01:10:42,740
[Music]

1824
01:10:50,990 --> 01:10:46,470
you might think that these problems are

1825
01:10:55,190 --> 01:10:51,000
small maybe they aren't registering at

1826
01:10:59,690 --> 01:10:55,200
all now they know you're naive and

1827
01:11:04,660 --> 01:10:59,700
vulnerable you won't believe all of the

1828
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:04,670
sense that Dell poem cuz you can see the

1829
01:11:14,290 --> 01:11:08,730
Masters lied too much oh baby you can

1830
01:11:18,290 --> 01:11:14,300
only trust yourself and if you think the

1831
01:11:22,820 --> 01:11:18,300
system's out of touch it is and you can

1832
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:22,830
only trust yourself because you can see

1833
01:11:32,090 --> 01:11:27,600
the Masters lied too much oh baby you

1834
01:11:37,190 --> 01:11:32,100
can only trust yourself and if you think

1835
01:11:39,710 --> 01:11:37,200
the systems out of touch he is and you

1836
01:11:42,189 --> 01:11:39,720
can only trust yourself